OSG In (the)House

[John Stonedwell]

Hi folks,

So it's been a while since I last posted about my grow but I thought better late than never (and also skipping most of the veg part is more entertaining) 

This is my 3rd indoor grow and I have learnt a lot from my last 2 grows from fellow forum members. Special shout out to @The Grass Baas @The_StonedTrooper @PsyCLown @Prom @Bay Seeds @Stinger96 @GGG @GreenGrow Garden Route @Weskush for all their guidance and support with the previous grow. I have learnt a lot from you guys and will attempt to apply it with this grow.

What went wrong previously?  I neglected my plants and encountered the following:

- Too much N (nute frequency overall)

- Not enough airflow

- Not enough defoliation

- And a one shoe fits all approach  (which doesn't work well with several different strains)

What am I doing differently this time round?  

- Every watering doesn't need to be a feed (let the plant tell you when they need something)

- Each strain will have their own frequency of feeding and quantity thereof 

- Airflow/Circulation is key

- Defoliate,  defoliate,  defoliate... we don't need no nodes stealing energy from the nodes that we want to create into big fat ass nugs

- And some IPM for the issues that might catch you off guard

So what am I working with for this grow?

I decided on a mix of old school variants with some local and international breeders filling the gap. I am running 4 strains of feminised seeds from Old School Genetics courtesy of @Golden-Goose , 2 strains from Motherland Genetics (hope the drama on the photos wasn't an indication of the quality of genetics that they supposedly produce) and lastly some 2 super tasty InHouse strains courtesy of some cuttings from my man @PsyCLown.

IPM measures with wood cider vinegar courtesy of @Thrive

Strains in play:

Old school genetics - White Bubblegum 

Old school genetics - White Afghan Skunk 

Old school genetics - Super Silver Haze 98

Old school genetics - OSG Cheese 

Motherland genetics - Purple Dosidos 

Motherland genetics - Sunset Sherbet S1

InHouse - Blunicorn 

InHouse - Jelly Breath 

Started of with germination on the 28th of September with a 100% germination success rate. I normally go for the 3 topping 8 cola mainline but this time round I decided to do a 2 top manifold mainline which some people call a flux mainline. (Hoping to decrease veg time)

I also installed a oscillating fan from the roof of the tent to aid in circulation. Today was the last clean up in the veg cycle and I took  clones of each for a buddy to keep for us to see which one we want to keep and work with...

I am about 2 weeks from flip to flower and this is the current situation...

Here we go with some pictures to tie it up...

Seedlings 

Clones joining the picture

Pre clean up

White Bubblegum

White Afghan Skunk 

Purple Dosidos 

Jelly Breath (no before pic taken)

Blunicorn 

Sunset Sherbet 

Super Silver Haze 98

OSG Cheese 

Attempt at a level canopy

Clones

New fan

IPM Wood cider vinegar 

Thank you for reading. I am very excited to see where this grow goes 

 

 

[Weskush]

Lekker boetie! Laat hy jol

[PsyCLown]

Nice, I can already see the stupid In House stretch on the Jelly Breath has thrown a slight curve ball and you've topped it quite hard.

Excited to see how everything turns out.

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[The_StonedTrooper]

Let's go

Thank you for the mention, 

You got a sick line up there brother, and going to rock this grow.

[John Stonedwell]

43 minutes ago, PsyCLown said:

Nice, I can already see the stupid In House stretch on the Jelly Breath has thrown a slight curve ball and you've topped it quite hard.

Excited to see how everything turns out.

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Hey man, yes I took your warning lightly and did not expect such a vigorous stretch  so had to go quite hard on the topping. Still got some nice time to recover and super excited to see what all of it brings  

[John Stonedwell]

1 minute ago, The_StonedTrooper said:

Let's go

Thank you for the mention, 

You got a sick line up there brother, and going to rock this grow.

Yeah upon reflection you were spot on with the too much N observation so I had to shout out  this time round dialed it down and it seems to work proper thus far 

[The_StonedTrooper]

Just now, John Stonedwell said:

Yeah upon reflection you were spot on with the too much N observation so I had to shout out  this time round dialed it down and it seems to work proper thus far 

I do the best I can, and if i managed to help anyone, I am super happy, thank you.

[ORGANinc.]

Nice one looking good man! Love the bit about not every watering needs to be a feed. 

[John Stonedwell]

3 hours ago, ORGANinc. said:

Nice one looking good man! Love the bit about not every watering needs to be a feed. 

Thanx man. Yeah I learnt my lesson there the hard way. One would think the more you feed the better and stronger the plants will be which is not the case. The N toxicity does not necessarily reflect in burnt tips so you might think you are doing a good job and have a beautiful dark green colour leaf but in the mean time it's like force feeding the poor lady. 

[Golden-Goose]

Looking good so far bro. Beautiful line up of strains.

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

20 hours ago, John Stonedwell said:

Thanx man. Yeah I learnt my lesson there the hard way. One would think the more you feed the better and stronger the plants will be which is not the case. The N toxicity does not necessarily reflect in burnt tips so you might think you are doing a good job and have a beautiful dark green colour leaf but in the mean time it's like force feeding the poor lady. 

learnt the hard way too with my previous grow!

where does that notion "it's hard to over do it with organics" even come from? 

[PsyCLown]

learnt the hard way too with my previous grow!
where does that notion "it's hard to over do it with organics" even come from? 

Probably the companies selling their organic stuff.

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[The_StonedTrooper]

1 hour ago, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

learnt the hard way too with my previous grow!

where does that notion "it's hard to over do it with organics" even come from? 

Sometimes less is more,

You have 1 Organic, but 2 different forms in my opinion. 

1, being Gypsum and Rock Dust and others.

2, nutrients with root ready organics, that have been through the Microbe stage and ready to be consumed by the plant. 

You can over do the number 2 definitely and not so number 1, as this needs to be made ready to the root first. 

1 hour ago, PsyCLown said:

Probably the companies selling their organic stuff.

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And this

[Naughty.Psychonaut]

2 hours ago, PsyCLown said:

Probably the companies selling their organic stuff.

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I was just coming back to say that the "less is more" slogan would probably not be the best economic approach for a sustainable business model  

that's not the only people saying that stuff, though. in fact most commonly I hear it from people who have been growing all kinds of plants all their lives and have done quite a couple different methods of growing and ended up back at the basics with organics, when asked why organic after all the experience the answer is usually one of three things. 1 - biodynamics. 2 - regenerative lifestyle. 3 - it's hard to over do it with organic. 

I think there is a big difference in the type of organic growing when looking at a plant in a new pot with "newly crafted" soil in production focused growing conditions and a patch of soil on the earth that's completely exposed to all elements and is actually "organic" in the true meaning of the word. I can understand that you can give more of everything and cause less stress when growing without any confines or restrictions, but once you go into a pot already it's a whole different ball game. nutrient build up can happen super quick. fungal and bacterial colonies can dominate very easily. aeration can quickly become a problem not only for the plants roots but the microbial activity. there are minimal buffer zones and nowhere the roots can go to be "free". 

When people say "organic" they're casting a broad net in a field where there are sooooo many variables that misconceptions run the show.

57 minutes ago, The_StonedTrooper said:

1, being Gypsum and Rock Dust and others.

2, nutrients with root ready organics, that have been through the Microbe stage and ready to be consumed by the plant. 

You can over do the number 2 definitely and not so number 1, as this needs to be made ready to the root first. 

I have to say that in my experience you still have to be careful with both. I've seen a guy build his own soil with a sphagnum/coco base some worm castings and a whole mix of rock dusts. combining recipes and what not. I told him I can see with my eyes that he is giving too much, just didn't look right. he said the only nutrients will come from the worm casting and the rest will break down over time. which in theory is true, I mean most organic growers' theories anyway. he planted a newly established clone that was ready to go in the soil and it got so severely shocked I had to help him with a EC test, was sitting at 8-9. the worm castings was only 30% of the mix. 

soil biology is too complex to call it stuff like "it's hard to over do it" or "less is more" the only key I see fit would be "figure it out for yourself"  

Edited November 9, 2021 by Naughty.Psychonaut

[John Stonedwell]

Morning folks.

So the clean up worked wonders and the plants have recovered exceptionally well. So much so that I will probably do a couple more clean ups maybe once before flip and once or twice in the early stages of flower. 

Each plant is already expressing the own unique smell and I can't wait for the flower power to push through. I will probably flip within the next week or two at the most.

White Bubblegum 

White Afghan Skunk 

Purple Dosidos 

Jelly Breath 

Blunicorn 

Sunset Sherbet S1

Super Silver Haze 98

OSG Cheese 

Tent view 

 

[John Stonedwell]

Hi folks.

So it is that very exciting time for me... the flip to flower 

I am not looking for monster plants but plants that will range from between 60cm to 80cm, from the stem base to highest top, in final height. Also less jungle more airflow 

This will be more than enough for me to smoke and a focus on nice big nugs with limited popcorn.

Over the weekend I did the final clean up for the veg stage and happy with all the nodes staring at the lights. I will probably clean up once or twice in the early stages of flower.

So tonight the timer will go to 12/12 and the real fun starts 

White Bubblegum 

White Afghan Skunk 

Purple Dosidos 

Jelly Breath 

Blunicorn 

Sunset Sherbet 

Super Silver Haze 98

OSG Cheese 

Tent view 

 

[PsyCLown]

@John Stonedwell Looking good!

 

Based on my experiences, I would say try keep the Jelly Breath colas as even and flat as possible to maximize yield. It is easy for one cola to get ahead and then with the stretch it leaves all the other behind. Try as much as possible to keep the plant compact and canopy flat with training during the stretch. Also try stake it - good to do this end of week 2 to week 3.

For the Blunicorn get rid of any of the lower branches / suckers as which are not at the top of the canopy and clean up the plant nicely at the bottom to prevent an excess of small buds.

[John Stonedwell]

9 minutes ago, PsyCLown said:

@John Stonedwell Looking good!

 

Based on my experiences, I would say try keep the Jelly Breath colas as even and flat as possible to maximize yield. It is easy for one cola to get ahead and then with the stretch it leaves all the other behind. Try as much as possible to keep the plant compact and canopy flat with training during the stretch. Also try stake it - good to do this end of week 2 to week 3.

For the Blunicorn get rid of any of the lower branches / suckers as which are not at the top of the canopy and clean up the plant nicely at the bottom to prevent an excess of small buds.

My man.

Thank you very much for the guidance! As always much appreciated 

I will definitely apply those techniques to ensure a proper harvest, I was a bit gentle with the clean up on the Blunicorn to be honest. So she will definitely get a nice shave.

The Jelly Breath is a lanky ass plant. I haven't had one plant before that had such crazy internodal spacing. 

I also picked up that the Blunicorn is rather sensitive to overwatering? Not necessarily the frequency but the volume per watering... Did you pick up the same?

[PsyCLown]

My man.
Thank you very much for the guidance! As always much appreciated 
I will definitely apply those techniques to ensure a proper harvest, I was a bit gentle with the clean up on the Blunicorn to be honest. So she will definitely get a nice shave.
The Jelly Breath is a lanky ass plant. I haven't had one plant before that had such crazy internodal spacing. 
I also picked up that the Blunicorn is rather sensitive to overwatering? Not necessarily the frequency but the volume per watering... Did you pick up the same?

Yea, jelly breath is quite a lanky plant.

Blunicorn likes to stay on the smaller side and can be quite sensitive.

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[Golden-Goose]

I'm very excited to see what you pull out of the hat. Nice work so far bud.

I usually remove all branches from the bottom half of my plants, but I grow big plants. I'm not sure how safe it would be to remove 50% plant material from smaller plants. Still... lollipopping is a great way to ensure nice big buds with minimal popcorn. I don't think it increases yield, but it definitely increases usable yield.

Good luck brother!

[John Stonedwell]

6 minutes ago, Golden-Goose said:

I'm very excited to see what you pull out of the hat. Nice work so far bud.

I usually remove all branches from the bottom half of my plants, but I grow big plants. I'm not sure how safe it would be to remove 50% plant material from smaller plants. Still... lollipopping is a great way to ensure nice big buds with minimal popcorn. I don't think it increases yield, but it definitely increases usable yield.

Good luck brother!

100% with you on that notion man. I will probably aim for like bottom 30 to 40% to be cleaned up to try and get those nice lollipops. I have to be honest these OSG strains are really impressive hardy plants. Took to training like champs and also solid growth rate.

I am now just waiting for your black Friday run then I will add a couple more strains to the collection 

[Golden-Goose]

Looking at your pics, I can see the vigour! They are beautiful. I've decided to start growing more OSG gear going forward. I've started with OSG cheese, but got my tester to drop all 22 beans of Jamaican Wedding as well. (Wedding Cake x Jamaican Blueberry x Red Khyber) I can't wait to see what those bring. I will be keeping an eye on your plants, as I might pick my next strain from your lineup.

[Weskush]

Sorry to chip in but i will also vouch for OSG. This White Afghan Skunk isn't a super fast grower but she has strong branching with a potent Skunk odour already. 7 weeks from germination.

[Golden-Goose]

I somehow missed this post. Looking nice and healthy bro!

[Weskush]

1 hour ago, Golden-Goose said:

I somehow missed this post. Looking nice and healthy bro!

No stress brother. Will post better pics as she matures. Myself and @John Stonedwell are growing from the same batch and mine seems to express more Sativa characteristics. Kinda stretchy but not in a Durban Poison way and very strong branching with narrowish leaves. The dark green colouring is most probably from my very rich living soil but the plants seem to thrive in it. Shot