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38 minutes ago, CoolJ said:

Why is private use regulated anyway? You can plant as many vines as you want to make wine or brew as much as you want to make beer. 

Why must my private use be regulated? Nobody tells you how many potatoes you can grow and consume? 

Step in the right direction but not too happy. 

You'll survive don't worry, when you start pulling more than 1.2 kg per harvest then you can be unhappy.

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,So Cabinet has approved a bill to regulate cannabis. We've all been waiting for this, and now that the wheel is rolling again, it is causing quite a stir of emotion among the cannabis community.

"Cannabis" used instead of "dagga". That for me is a big win already.  We must now really keep up to date on any submissions for public opinion. These cats always like to snake in legislation wit

I dont think any of us think their penalties are fair. As the law currently stands I get way less jail time for trafficking a truckload. But then I look at the bill as a whole, what its purpose i

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11 minutes ago, greenkush said:

 

You'll survive don't worry, when you start pulling more than 1.2 kg per harvest then you can be unhappy.

Ya be happy about the Government controlling a plant that they didn't give 2 hoots about a few years ago but now they want to tell you how and when about it. 

Let's arrest and ostracize people for years for using the plant and then just switch it up control it when profitability becomes viable 👍🏽

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@CoolJ  the arb numbers are pointless, I agree with that, but this is a Minister's ego at stake. They feel the need to still show power and retain their authority, in some manner.

How is it ever going to be enforced, if it gets passed through and approved? Be nice to your neighbours, don't make enemies and nobody is going to make kak, for you.

Drug driving laws also introduced.

"Driving or occupying driver's seat while under 
the influence of intoxicating liquor[ or], a drug 
having narcotic effect or THC, or with excessive 
amount of alcohol or THC or a drugs having a 
narcotic effect in blood or breath";
 

And some form of blood testing? I read about 100 nano gram THC and didn't bother to read the rest.  

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What a bad time for this to happen. It is a terrible Bill that criminalizes some things heavily. This is going to be a long and costly legal battle that will likely happen in front of a judge. They really snuck this through now! Very unhappy about this.

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50 minutes ago, oros da boss said:

How is it ever going to be enforced, if it gets passed through and approved? Be nice to your neighbours, don't make enemies and nobody is going to make kak, for you.

I rate this should just be the go-to strategy. Don't give people around you the power to mess with you. 

35 minutes ago, Onion said:

What a bad time for this to happen.

I think it's a great time for this to happen. Even in private spaces alone one could find a way to make a second income from this; re. The Haze Club etc.

35 minutes ago, Onion said:

It is a terrible Bill that criminalizes some things heavily.

I think the Bill is pretty lenient and displays a basic understanding of the personal cultivation of cannabis. It is most certainly one of the most progressive personal cannabis laws right now if passed as is, I'd even say better than Spain's. 

35 minutes ago, Onion said:

This is going to be a long and costly legal battle that will likely happen in front of a judge. 

No that's not how this works. It was passed by cabinet, now it gets debated in parliament, then posted in the gazette, then public opinion, further debate, then the Pres. assents the Bill [very rudimentary explanation]. Unless you mean after it's passed and you break the law and go to court, then sure you'll be in front of a judge and it may be lengthy and costly depending on the case.. just like if you break any other law. 

35 minutes ago, Onion said:

They really snuck this through now!

We've known about this for the last two years and the possession and household amounts were leaked in the beginning of the year. If you feel like you understand the draft Bill enough, understand a little bit about legal interpretation, then you're welcome to comment to parliament once they open that opportunity. I'm sure we will be staying up-to-date on that. 

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1 hour ago, CoolJ said:

Ya be happy about the Government controlling a plant that they didn't give 2 hoots about a few years ago but now they want to tell you how and when about it. 

Let's arrest and ostracize people for years for using the plant and then just switch it up control it when profitability becomes viable 👍🏽

Hate to break it to you warrior of justice, but this plant has been illegal for more than a "few" years, circa 1922. 

You can't have it both ways the government will try to make money from it, exactly how every American state/Canada has done. 

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36 minutes ago, Onion said:

What a bad time for this to happen. It is a terrible Bill that criminalizes some things heavily. This is going to be a long and costly legal battle that will likely happen in front of a judge. They really snuck this through now! Very unhappy about this.

You'll need to explain your logic here? 

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2 minutes ago, greenkush said:

Hate to break it to you warrior of justice, but this plant has been illegal for more than a "few" years, circa 1922. 

You can't have it both ways the government will try to make money from it, exactly how every American state/Canada has done. 

Not a warrior of justice. I know how long the plant has been illegal and why they made it illegal. This bill is almost exactly as the Canadian bill, but we not them! 

We need Fields of Greens for All! This is the start of how they control the market and all the small guys who have been fighting forever and struggling are going to be forgotten about. 

 

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10 minutes ago, CoolJ said:

Not a warrior of justice. I know how long the plant has been illegal and why they made it illegal. This bill is almost exactly as the Canadian bill, but we not them! 

We need Fields of Greens for All! This is the start of how they control the market and all the small guys who have been fighting forever and struggling are going to be forgotten about. 

 

Then go protest, because that's how everything is resolved in this country.

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26 minutes ago, Ill_Evan said:

I rate this should just be the go-to strategy. Don't give people around you the power to mess with you. 

I think it's a great time for this to happen. Even in private spaces alone one could find a way to make a second income from this; re. The Haze Club etc.

I think the Bill is pretty lenient and displays a basic understanding of the personal cultivation of cannabis. It is most certainly one of the most progressive personal cannabis laws right now if passed as is, I'd even say better than Spain's. 

No that's not how this works. It was passed by cabinet, now it gets debated in parliament, then posted in the gazette, then public opinion, further debate, then the Pres. assents the Bill [very rudimentary explanation]. Unless you mean after it's passed and you break the law and go to court, then sure you'll be in front of a judge and it may be lengthy and costly depending on the case.. just like if you break any other law. 

We've known about this for the last two years and the possession and household amounts were leaked in the beginning of the year. If you feel like you understand the draft Bill enough, understand a little bit about legal interpretation, then you're welcome to comment to parliament once they open that opportunity. I'm sure we will be staying up-to-date on that. 

Yes, that timing is correct. I'm going to retreat back into my own private space and say no more on the matter.

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10 minutes ago, CoolJ said:

Yeah we will protest! Just like we've been doing before! Every year we March for this while you sit and reep the benifits! 

https://fieldsofgreenforall.org.za/

So I've gone through a bit of their manifesto, found here. Have you read through it?

I think what you are on about, as well as described in the manifesto, is more to do with the small scale "Kasinomics" farmers and the traditional industry. The current Bill deals specifically within the context of private cultivation and consumption where the sale of cannabis is illegal. If anything I think this current Bill fits exactly the narrative that Fields of Green for All are pushing as their desired outcome with regards to personal cultivation. 

You need to save your energy for when the commercial legalisation is passed in cabinet. That's where your fight will be. 

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1 minute ago, Ill_Evan said:

So I've gone through a bit of their manifesto, found here. Have you read through it?

I think what you are on about, as well as described in the manifesto, is more to do with the small scale "Kasinomics" farmers and the traditional industry. The current Bill deals specifically within the context of private cultivation and consumption where the sale of cannabis is illegal. If anything I think this current Bill fits exactly the narrative that Fields of Green for All are pushing as their desired outcome with regards to personal cultivation. 

You need to save your energy for when the commercial legalisation is passed in cabinet. That's where your fight will be. 

Yes I have read it. This bill is the building blocks for commercial legalisation. 

But I will keep up the fight and use my voice for all, even the fence sitters 😉

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I'm going to reserve comment.

Taking it as the bill affects something you were doing. Sorry man.

 

The implication for a bigger grow I guess would be you having to cull some plants. But if it isn't that, the only thing I could see you getting involved for was suspicion of intent to do some stuff...

 

Apologies if I'm wrong... But if that's the case you need a good story, not a defensive one. It was a risk either way if whatever you were doing still managed to get you into a fix even though cultivation and use was legalised.

 

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26 minutes ago, TheUltimateNoob said:

Taking it as the bill affects something you were doing. Sorry man.

Yes

The implication for a bigger grow I guess would be you having to cull some plants. But if it isn't that, the only thing I could see you getting involved for was suspicion of intent to do some stuff...

Nope

Apologies if I'm wrong... But if that's the case you need a good story, not a defensive one. It was a risk either way if whatever you were doing still managed to get you into a fix even though cultivation and use was legalised.

The only reason why I am not going to continue to comment on this subject here is because I am not an attorney and it is pointless arguing anyway. The Bill is what it is.

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1 hour ago, Onion said:

The only reason why I am not going to continue to comment on this subject here is because I am not an attorney and it is pointless arguing anyway. The Bill is what it is.

Weak sauce. 

 

1 hour ago, TheUltimateNoob said:

Ah okay, no worries then.

If there are any cannabis lawyers here or reading this though, hit us up emoji23.png

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Trying my gawd damn hardest man. 

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4 hours ago, Ill_Evan said:

No that's not how this works. It was passed by cabinet, now it gets debated in parliament, then posted in the gazette, then public opinion, further debate, then the Pres. assents the Bill [very rudimentary explanation]. Unless you mean after it's passed and you break the law and go to court, then sure you'll be in front of a judge and it may be lengthy and costly depending on the case.. just like if you break any other law. 

 

Does anyone any have a guess for timelines on it being law?

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@Ill_Evan Howzit bro! You seem to be quite clued up on the topic. I was wondering if you may know what would be the legalities around the Clubs supply system. Or have a good idea on the direction.

Would there need to be GMP, and ISO regulations that need be abided by? Or these contracted clients who are paying for services rendered would not have to be so stringent? There has to be some sort of quality controls. And licensing, tax registering? Maybe it will be something that becomes more clear when commercial laws are revealed.  

But If you say it’s may be better than the Laws in Spain, Then there must be good provision for small scale farmers/club suppliers. Which is amazing! 

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4 minutes ago, highchome said:
 

Does anyone any have a guess for timelines on it being law?

The constitutional court said they have to have the Drugs and Drug Trafficking Act amended by the end of this September, so unless they grant an extension it should all come together by then. 

 

5 minutes ago, ORGANinc. said:

@Ill_Evan Howzit bro! You seem to be quite clued up on the topic. I was wondering if you may know what would be the legalities around the Clubs supply system. Or have a good idea on the direction.

Would there need to be GMP, and ISO regulations that need be abided by? Or these contracted clients who are paying for services rendered would not have to be so stringent? There has to be some sort of quality controls. And licensing, tax registering? Maybe it will be something that becomes more clear when commercial laws are revealed.  

But If you say it’s may be better than the Laws in Spain, Then there must be good provision for small scale farmers/club suppliers. Which is amazing! 

 

You can donate up to 100g at a time to another adult according to this Bill. 

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Also remember, that a "Private Dagga Club" is meant to be a non-profit organisation, so any funds accrued by the club needs to go straight back into the club for maybe like events, electricity or paying the gardener to look after the plants for the club. 

You don't need to worry about GMP or ISO because this is a private club and the product isn't available for public consumption. The consumer isn't paying for the product. The consumer is paying the club for access to the premises where the cannabis is then donated. I would also suggest to said club to do as much outreach as possible and also educate your members on all things cannabis. It's a good look, especially as we try to establish our legal cannabis community. 

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