Naughty.Psychonaut

Ok, so a bunch of things have shifted around, veg tent is now flower tent since these local genetics just exploding. flower tent just getting clean watering enough to keep soil 50% moist but not encourage much growth, also cut her back a whole bunch, reduced light and just letting her relax before the hard work starts. SSC now in w4 of flower #1 #2 #3 #4 #5

Which is fair, Germany got much higher standard of living than down here in 3rd world SA - I am not giving any kinda credit to the SA government as you know I despise them, but the same grey laws have been in action here in SA since 2019 brother, with a higher plant count + higher dry product limit. not sure how, but maybe you can explain to me how does a slower turn of legislation and more restrictive grey areas correlate to a better working government? I mean, I agree with you about Germany having a better government than us based solely on the fact that they have higher standard of living than us, but what you just said made me scratch my head. It has taken Germany 4 years longer than SA to even start thinking about changing the laws and still imply more grey areas and restrictions than SA currently does? just trying to have a real discussion as I genuinly don't get it

I do have a recommendation, though I can't say the thing without giving my whole reason, cause it might sound way out if I don't explain. You're making the right move brother. I'm in the same boat as you. Though I got a wnole dab rig setup and and and it's just gathering dust cause there's just too many bells and whistles to get to before I can smoke. I have thought of getting myself the Q7 from hydrobizz, it's a portable E nail. Out of, well basically everyone I know that smokes concentrates no one uses a pen/cart. Almost all of them have gone through the tier list, starting with the pens and stuff, then they end up getting something better. I know guys that dropped that 5 to 7k when the first flower & concentrate hand held vape thing came out, cause it was so revolutionary. All those guys smoke flower bongs these days. the entourage effect is just too good. you move over to concentrates completely, as a weed smoker your body will not be satisfied and you'll find yourself lacking being high the way you remember it. I do however wana smoke much less bongs, and more concentrates, though I will never completely stop. It'll be more of an experience thing, like the unmatched terp experience you get from hitting a perfect solventless dab, and then just less bongs to give my lungs a bit of a break. Though, through everyone elses experience with all extract smoking equipment I got the insentive to skip over all the cheap shit and save my money for the proper Puffco experience. Either getting a Proxy or if time treats me nicely I'll hop on the Peak straight away. Not gona waste time or money on testing more expensive stuff that'll just set me back all the while. Same with my extract, just been collecting and piling up, cause I keep working my trim and and and... had to dig in my heels and stop myself so I can put money away for a press. no point in wasting time and money on making bho kak just cz I wana dab like the rest of everyone. naaaahhh, rather do nothing and save time and money for the real deal, who knows maybe in the time I am saving a new better thing will arise and then I'll hop on that. I see Piatella is all the hype now, people getting off the rosin and stuff, things change so fast. I know I rambled a bunch, but I hope it helped?

Aah I see yeah those should work fine, the ones I have in mind I think are purposed for house fumigation. It kills, well even humans. Need like a 24hr clear out period. vacuum is always a must, dust houses a ton of spores and mites and unwanted shit. I like to wipe down stuff as much as I can, I don't complete a whole cycle in one tent, I have a perpetual system so about every 3 to 4 months I move from one tent to the other, that gives me a gap to clean in the middle of every grow and at the start of every grow. Fans and that stuff need that warm soap water scrub down, can't skip cause of the dust build up and I open the body blow the dust out with a nice cumputor box dust blower and oil the little motor, because of this I am running a 5 year old RAM fan, 3 of them one is only 2 years old now. The tent walls I can sometimes skip, but cause of the small space I got plants up against the walls and stuff so when I do IPM the walls get wet, plus humidity build up + dust creates a thin layer of sticky dust that's another spot for spores to congregate

hahah no worries brother you don't need to worry bout it too much for general living, we need a healthy balance of good and bad microbes in the spaces we live in so we can build a strong immune system.

Awesome brother I'm very excited to see that cheesexpbb! Do you know the parents of the Nutcracker? Plants looking great!

what about post harvest 3 part bud wash? that used to be the Go To for pm harvests loads of people doing it even though they don't have pm just to get rid of dust, hairs and bugs and shit, especially outy growers. but it started off cz of late flower PM. the bicarbonate soda kills the pm on contact and if that doesn't work the lime will. those work nice in a big space, maybe it's a less hazardous one you talking bout here, but the ones I am familiar with the fogger itself it says you have to be out the room when it's fogging and when you can only enter again after a couple of hours then you gotta wash or wipe up any residue the fogger makes, cause it's quite harmfull to humans. If you got a small space the fogger gona leave a fine coating of residue that you'll have to wipe off anyway. I would rather stick with the old trusty vacuum of all dust in corners, take out and wipe down all equipment then washing everything that can get wet with sudsy warm soap water aswell as the inside of the tent, then spray 3% Peroxide inside the tent making sure you get it everywhere, zip the tent up and give 30min then wipe down so the peroxide doesn't bleach or harm anything, bring in all equipment after cleaned, then do a second peroxide spray, again 30min later wipe down and there you go. A grow room good enough to do an surgery in. Usually when I got all my equipment in I put fans on aswell as the inline fan then just spray a strong dose of pyrol, get it in the vents and shit, this I never wipe down. Just incase you missed one last thrip or a spore. @AfrikaansePotkop if you gona strip the plants, or even just work with them, infact the fans already doing it, but you see one first note of pm I usually switch off all fans right away, run to get a plastic bag, bring it to my tents, carefully try to take the plant out the tent and move it as far away from the tent as possible before touching or moving the PM stuff, then I bring the plastic bag as close as I can, trying not to directly touch the PM or else you just spreading it, cut far around it so you know you get it all and not gracing any spores and it goes straight in the plastic bag. all of it and right into the bin. If you look at an angle and you lightly touch the pm areas you'll see a smoke-like plume of spores come off into the air, those are basically pm seeds and they're in spore form. if you know about spores you know they can survive thousands of years in unfavourable conditions and once the conditions are met it will take host. Spores can survive underwater, in space oit of earths atmosphere, through fire.... it's really incredible what spores can survive and they travel in the wind or on your clothes or arm hairs. this is why it's incredibly important to not spread those spores inside your tent, otherwise you slowly digging your grave creating an endless world of headaches for yourself.

Damn, that cheese x pbb probably gona be crazy! Where did you get it, if I may ask?

Plants are looking good bud! I note the back plants are taller so closer to the light, but also what Litit mentioned about the heat on the sides. Also much easier for air to become stagnant between two objects, if you packing plants all along the wall you gotta leave a space between them and the wall aswell as in between them. If you add more plants you gotta add more fans aswell, but usually it's best to stick to keeping a space nice and "open" to play on the safe side. I always aim to fill up my space, but when I say full I mean 90% max and that's including a fan, 2 fans for flower room and I only run 1mx1m spaces. You right bout that space being a bit too full, gotta make sure the fan is able to get to all areas. Fresh air exchange and circulation is incredibly important, undesired VPD range can make a good light cause light issues, even though it's not the light itself that's the issue. If vpd is out -> plant stomata not acting right -> abnormal transpiration = easier to get hurt by light and/or humidity Is this in a tent or a closed space? When you say intake fan, you running on a positive pressure? Grow rooms run better at negative pressure, you gotta suck air out. If it's a sealed room you gotta have same amount of air going in as you got going out and a big must to monitor CO2. If it's a tent or a non sealed room the fact that it's not sealed will allow passive intake.

Damn ... Freedom Farms. Suuucks to hear that from one of the more reputed names. It's a bigger problem for them as a brand than it is for the customer that runs into an issue so I am sure they would appreciate the feedback so they don't run into the same problem again. Either straighten out the lazy employee or replace them. Not giving feedback on big problems like these can be even bigger issue at the end of the day and who knows, maybe they thank you and bless you with some merch or new soil just to cover their ass. Even if they don't, at the very least, all they can do is use the info to avoid another slip up. Luckily I am off buying soil anymore, but I remember about 5 years ago till the other day still FF being the most consistent soil brand for us locals, but also hearing a lot of people running into problems with their stuff lately. About a year ago now a bud of mine transplanted 2.5month old clones (not small plants) straight into their Premium Classic soil and it just turned his plants into a crisp right away. That's trusting that he took my word to only give water, and didn't give nutrients (I know him to be that kinda guy, does exactly what you tell him not to do) plants just turned to a crisp. Luckily, because they all photoperiods we saved them, but yeah.... Freedom Farms being caught slipping up a bit too much lately, but then could also be the difficulty of trying to keep up with demand. I'd say if you looking at organics, even when you get into it, you'll end up making your own soil or amending soil you have as a base, so it's better to start waaaayy before planning to grow in the soil so once you wana make the move you're one step ahead of yourself. With organics we never throw anything away, you can basically use the cocoperl you got there as a base and build on that. A worm tower to make your own worm juice and castings - takes literally 10 to 20min to make, very very little financial input, helps to make clean up easier around the kitchen, builds a better relationship between you and the natural cycle and ultimately the plants too, will be the best time and effort investment to make for your plants and garden in general as the worm colony grow you can multiply your towers, you can sell the worms, you can literally just throw them on the ground in the garden and get a good healthy conscience boost as you're basically reviving, regenerating and spreading life.

That sucks! What brand is this? Did you take it up with them? Are you completely against the idea of organic growing or may I suggest it?

I like this! Gona be a bit hard to give a set finish time if we doing a outy thing - the finishing times may differ a bunch from person to person, area to area, especially if everyones growing a different strain too. Just to narrow down the finish time a little and give a more "level playing ground" I feel a same strain competition will work best, especially if we submitting buds. Realistically the dude with the BulkSeedBank seeds can put 100% of everything else in and do a 100+ phenohunt and knock it out the park with the keeper, but they probably still already lost to the guy with the current hype breeder stuff. Just an example, it's not something that already happened, just giving an example by drawing margins.

I agree about the root issue. @nakes The first thing I noticed is that you didn't mention the heat in the tent? You did mention the extraction fan being out, that may play around with temps a bunch, but it will have a bigger impact on the RH, depending on your setup. Is the extraction fan only cooling down the light? If RH is a problem and the plants can't breathe properly it's gona be a problem. Another big one, where the root problem becomes the leaf problem - Check on your rootzone temperature in correlation to your leaf surface temperature. Those HID lights are not enough to heat up a rootzone, they give off nice heat, but once the cold settles in the soil the light will basically just heat up the surface of the stuff it hits, like your leaves. Giving you big contrast in the temp around your roots and on your leaf surface. Then the heat from the light becomes more of an issue than a good thing. How big are the plants? If you talking bout throwing them away, you gona replace them? Just asking, because they clones I know they photos and photos can be turned around at the grave. I like making recoveries instead of hitting the restart button, cause I learn more that way. If it was a bunch of autos I couldn't really help you much and if it was a bunch of different phenos from a seed pop I'd say no way of throwing them out, but if they still small clones and you got replacements I'd say feed them to the worms. if they big plants it's way too little of a issue to be thinking bout throwing them out. Another reason I ask how big they are - 250w mh in a 1.2 tent is actually a very good combo, but at what distance is the light hanging in correlation to how big the plants are? they're clones so I can't go by age or say "seedling" stage, but clones go through a sensitive stage too when they small. I'd like to add, smaller rootzones will generally be a bit colder than bigger ones. Eg. - a control measure would be to take both a 10L pot of soil or water and a 100L pot of soil or water, heat both to the same temperature on the surface and internal, take them both out in the cold, the 10L soil/water would have cooled down much quicker than the 100L pot. If you have a plant growing in there and you got some life going, some movement, gas exchanges and all that then it creates some more warmth for itself. Smaller pots typically don't work in a living soil way, big living soil beds have nice internal temperature that it self regulates like it does with PH and EC and all that, but with smaller seperate pots need something external to keep the roots warm to keep up with the 23 - 28°C range you want above soil. How do you grow - Organic? Synthetic? What kinda feed you use and all that stuff?

Lookin reeeal good!!! remember to clone them before flowering them out, high probability you gona wana grow them again or at least the winner pheno!

I'd be down to clown with yous just gotta time it nicely as I got my space full and backlogged as fuuuug, but can easily make plans if I got enough time. More than happy to do a outdoor thing if it falls during the outdoor season, realised my outdoor winter veg setup sucks ass everything is on pause

Yew, bro that looks great Well done!! The suagr leaf amount differs form genetic to genetic and from plant to plant, but when the weed is just for you then bag appeal doesn't really matter all that much. I know a dude that jars his buds with very very minimal trimming just cz he figures thats how he likes it. Buying indoor you expect to find a solid dense bud with big fat resin coated calyxes instead of a bunch of leafyness, but you notice now as you continue to grow that those "perfectly formed buds" are all mostly phenotype related and then your condotions and how you look after them play a smaller roll. When pheno hunting one of the key factors people hunt for is the plant that offers the least trimming work when, big chunky buds with very little leaf. Not every genetic will make "instagram worthy" buds, but even out of the gene pool that does make perfect buds there will be a phenotype that makes better looking buds than the rest. 2 big players in bud density will also be your lights and overall plant health, but if the genetic phenotype don't allow it, you can put it under the best light with the best health it'll still just make airy leafy buds.

Yeah, I also don't think it's a race thing - like I said here but also, huge difference in the word "culture" and "race". I talk about both individually. Though, to be very clear, as soon as a person highlights the issue and that person happens to be white, then it becomes a race thing, through reverse racism. which in turn is a perfect example of corruption. I am not saying it must be that way, I am just saying that it is already like that. can't deny it. You've seen the Bheki Cele vs. Ian Cameron videos? Even if a white man wants to protect a black child from being raped = racism........ The problem - white man tells black man "what you are doing is wrong" = racism (reverse racism) where as black man tells white man "what you are doing is wrong" = normal. That's not the way it should be, but sadly it just is, because there's a live nerve that's extra sensitive and exposed. If it so happens that a black person gets offended by the truth that was told to them by a white man immediately they will ignore anything you said and throw the race card. race doesn't even have to be mentioned. It's 2023, these days it's just common place for white people to "know their place" and "know what's OK to say and what's not OK to say", everyone constantly walking on eggshells, cause we trying to avoid having anyone thinking that you're racist, based on their own level of ignorance and it being perpetuated by the masses, but again, sadly it just is that way already. You can loose all your credibity being labled a racist in the public eye, and trust me you will be labled like that just cause of the sheer amount of racial hatred in SA, it has happened MANY times before. That's kinda what got us to the point of having a braindead muppet for a president in the first place.... don't you think? and in all other factions of our country it's this same shit. schools dropping passing rate to below 30% cause there's a certain ethnic group that believes maths and science is racist and it hurts the ego of the "culturally enriched" so rather let the WHOLE country go backwards just to spare the feelings and egos of a shit-for-brains idiot who can't even read. The problem runs much deeper than "the president is corrupt".... It's not really as much discouraging as it is just plain sad. The fact that the majority of African citizens can't really comprehend what racism actually is. Now, because of constantly blaming white people and not adressing the real problem there are many suffering under their own "wisdom" and too proud to admit it and they will vote ANC again... lets not forget there's also shit happening way below the ANC, there's a massive EFF following in SA aswell. The root of SA has run rotten to it's core. Not all, but a lot of EFF followers are indiginous SA people, to even fathom the idea that those people will see the point a white man has to make is way too far to reach, because there's a threshold in their minds they created themself and now they cannot cross it. any mistake within their own community is directly a white mans fault, so all they do is kap another black lable and loose stuyvesant and make more babies, then when there's nothing to eat again it's white peoples fault. So yeah, it's defs about race to some degree. I am not saying it should be about race, but denying that it's racial is just as silly. The ANC Just masks it a bit better than the EFF. same horse different saddle. Our "leaders" literally lead with racial hatred, trying to "take back what belongs to them" You're right, it's not a race thing, but do you really think our "leaders" think it's not about race? Have you noted the ethnic diversity of the ANC? It's sad, but it's true. so yeah, like you said, we have to adress the problems not by colour but by behaviour, sadly the people you have to voice your concerns to don't see it the same way. they just see your colour. Doesn't matter how I see, or how you see it, or how William or Dick or James or Harry or any individual sees it..... infact seeing it in any certain kinda way will not dictate how it really is so I can see it as not racist, does that change anything in reality? Still the leaders and masses of followers thinking it is about race, that's what needs to change first. the people thinking it's a race thing and sadly those are the leaders... perfect definition of catch-22. a mirror of confusion. Just to add a little footnote here for those who made conclusions already - I am white and my SO isn't.

Yeah we gotta learn to stand together, no point in telling the people who wana adress the problem that they are the problem Protesting when the time calls for it, petitioning and filling out petitions, raising concerns on public forums, filling forms that's presented to governing bodies, local groups and forums for the fight against the governing bodies. We can say vote, but the options are always between enemy1 and enemy2, not about voting anymore really. It's about eliminating the enemy. like they say - better the devil you know. What we have is bad, but we know this, what comes after might be even worse. We can say it's not a race thing either, because the reality of it is that there's a large number of SA individuals that share the same cultural background as these corrupt leaders, and even they don't agree with what's happening. When race gets involved is when it's a person with white skin pointing out the problems. What needs to happen is we need to group together and have the people who come from the same demographics point out their problems. There's a video that went viral a while back of a Xhosa whoman sitting in a parking lot recording from her car, not filming anything in particular, but she was talking about how pre-1994 you would go to the traffic departments / health departments / home affairs department - basically every government run institution and you would be back out of there within an hour or two, you would have someone help you with ease and compitence. things where just in better order, even for those under the apartheid regime say things where run better back then. these days you literally have to take a day off work if you need to go to any of these places and you would probably have to come back, cause theres 10 desks but only 2 of them have employees behind it and they swop out once the one comes back the other one gets up, fuckall gets done, every 10min there needs to be a 5min food break with a extra 3min leisure time. I am sure we have all dealt with this, but just you - as a white man - dare point out the problem and it blows up in your face and you become the problem. I stand around looking at all the other individuals that share the same ethnicity as the POS behind the desk, and they all standing there with their heads up their asses thinking that there's no way they could ever be capable of doing anything wrong, because "this is their country", then they turn around and completely neglect their own brothers and sisters crying for help that's incompetency to a new height. can't even do corruption right so corrupt, the corruption is corrupt...... every chance they get they blame Jan Van Riebeeck for our current situation, now they are over shooting and doing reverse racism against their own kind. gotta suck to be that dumb. White all over the world can call for change in SA, sadly not untill more of their own bothers and sisters stand up against them will they listen. These SA politicians still getting waaaaaayy too much support and sympathy from our citizens.

Nah, not nearly the same problems brother lets quickly leave the WEF and WHO out of this, as you know the W stands for "world". we can discuss this also, but I feel it's got very little to do with the problem here in SA, plus I'd much rather deal with those problems sitting on another continent than be stuck here dealing with trying to pay attention to 100's of different problems, once you pay attention to one problem the others flairs up. We gotta learn to pay attention to the problem at hand, no point in even thinking about moving to the moon, though it may be a solution that's obviously not the only option either and no one should allow themself to think that way. First you tackle and try change what you can, the problem right infront of you. Taking it step by step, no use in trying to reach to either side of the extreme end of the spectrum, let's just talk like normal people. I am not trying to "save the world with one sentence", I am just adressing problems, calling them like I see them. At this point what seems even more ridiculous is the people being blissfully unaware of a thing called "the middle ground". As soon as someone wants to point out a problem then people wana call them negative and jump on the "don't come with problems, come with solutions" high horse.... well, duh, obviously you can't reach a solution if you haven't succesfully identified the problem first. The only reason to see someone pointing out a problem as negative is because you're being negative yourself. Pointing out problems is half of the solution, but only the positive people will be aware of that. so let's keep moving forward. Life isn't finite, change is the only constant. We CAN change this, but definitly not with the shoulder shrug and the "well we've gone too far already" attitude. that's also part of the problem. We're being forced to accept a culture that base its pride in corruption and masking it with "richness" of not moving forward as a collective community and play the victim card at every opportunity. The whole world has tried to help Africa, not only South Africa, the whole Africa. Send food, send money, send education, send farming infrastucture and resources and its the same shit everytime - it's run straight into the ground, shit gets wrecked and not looked after, farming resources is seen as a food rather than a source to farm to make more food, free schools are being broken and burnt down and taken advantage of... right now we begging for electricity, while we got Koeberg just sitting pretty on the coast there.... so much talk about Eskom I bet lots of us even forgot the name "Koeberg".... Don't give me "that's the best they could do under circumstances" bullshit. Eskom was a powerhouse of a entity in its early years, when it was run right and with competent leaders who atleast knew the answer to 1+1. Now it's a steaming pile of and no one is to blame?????? hahahahah yeah right, that's like when I was 6 and broke someone elses toy, then say it was like that when I found it, and when someone calls me out on my bullshit I wana throw a fit. Let's take a closer look - Even on a more primitive level the tribes in the amazon live more communual and better lives than the central african tribes. there's a misnomer when it comes to cultural richness. those tribal amazonian kids may seem inferior to you, but they're warriors, know a lot more about survival than we do as grown ass adults with guns and the internet... Where as unclothed African children just die of starvation cause "there's no food", and in African logic the only way to combat that problem is to make more babies and do even less farming and then the victim card comes up. Like there's never been an attempt to help them and the whole world owes them something. Need I remind you of all the ethic groups that has faced oppression in the past? Literally every ethnic group has faced oppression, Africans are the only ones that seem to not be able to rise to the occasion. Don't get me wrong, I know there are still diseases and other problems that these indigenous "tribes" haven't dealt with, but you also know those kids don't get a cold or flu as easily as we do, and that translates much importance to those who know. Their immune systems are stronger than ours, they got a much more diverse and natural diet than us. Their tiny muscles are capable of much more than the modern gym rats. With all that said I am sure a bunch of you still gona think this way, so let me be clear and say obviously I don't mean we need to go back to the year 1 and start eating rats and bathe once a year without soap. let's get back to what I said before -middle ground- there are ways to take steps backward and it still being in the right direction, we don't need to hike to the fucking moon to resolve earths problems, who the hell actually thinks that way? We just backpedal a bit, we take concepts from both sides of the spectrum and incorporate them, find balance. At the moment with the "you owe us" mentality of our leaders and the "everything is fine" mentality of our citizens are the two major problems to tackle. First if ALL SA citizens wake up to what's wrong the leaders wont be able to lead anymore. It's people like my mom still thinking ramapoeskop has her or my wellbeing of in his interests, just because he said "my fellow south africans" and she chooses to be a part of that. She knows he lies about like 90% of what he is saying, but when he says how he is there to help us then she believes him. That's the problem. Not the WHO or the WEF, though that's also a problem, just on a grander scale. It's a different topic though, I do chat with people about it and we can't look at it through the SA lens. If we in SA can change this "cultural pride" back to "competency" we already making strides, if we can stop saying "this is fine" we already making strides. if we can stop being positive about negative shit we making strides. if we can just adress the problem head on we half way there.

Hey bud, hope you are well. You can just ignore all this if you wana, but I gotta say R5500 for 150watt is reeeeeeaally steep, no matter how you look at it, just to give you a few points. •the qb style is outdated, anyone spending more than around 3k on a light gona lean more away from old qb style build and rather go for a bar style. design / layout of the build can make a huge impact on growing environment. •for around 3k you can get a locally built LED qb samsung LM301h/b diodes and a Meanwell driver - currently top of the line diodes and drivers for growing plants, compiled by a team of horticultural engineers, much better diodes than osram got out. (source: https://ledgardener.com/diy-led-strip-build-designs-samsung-bridgelux/ ) •local builds sell better cause if anything breaks you can easily have it fixed in way shorter time than having to deal with imported products. and quality really is key here. if somethings imported I expect it to be cheaper or at least quality has to make up for spending so much more. in this case there are higher quality local options for cheaper. that "imported" tag shouldn't make it more expensive as it doesn't add anything to the light itself. it actually turns people away from buying it. (few options: https://www.greenhouston.co.za/products/quantum-board-led-125w ) if we looking at spending upwards to 5-6k on a qb we looking at more around 250watt. and then it's gotta have samsung diodes + it's locally made. eg. even within the line of samsung diodes there's a price differences in the LM301H and the LM261C and all the rest, and that's based on their output/efficiency. some are just better than others, I can sit here and explain to you till I am blue in the face, but I also did drop the LEDgardener source for you to have a looksee, all the info is there. people used to lean towards importing cause SA is stuck in 1950 when it comes to accessibility to top of the line products, but luckily the cannabis community don't wait on no one, we push till we make it and these days people are stocking big names locally, Migrow, Nanolux, Fluence.... those kinda brands, besides that there are plenty of local LED manufacturers that make use of the top of the line products, we even have one here on the forum, Mr.E. builds some of the craziest LED bar lights you can find locally, I come across a few others, I know LEONLED used to be popular, not sure if he is producing anymore....but yeah man, that R5500 for just 150w is like..... it's just way out. juuuuust a few pointers, all love and respect brother

when is a good time to say "I told you so" quite a bunch on here still gona sing the same old song been ready for that civil war for a while now though if it doesn't happen soon SA is loosing a soldier. would much rather high tail out this fucking hellhole, never been a patriot kind. plus they say the grass is greener where you water it, so just remember to keep watering wherever you move to and you be good. can really play with metaphors

5 seeds = 3 clear different phenos, with notable differences in structure, size and leaves - got 2 tall girls with slight variations between the 2 of them, then another 2 medium sized that look identical very very little variation between these two and then one odd girl very compact short bushy babe. slight variations on all morphology, though there's more uniformity that can be noted than variations. Same smells coming off all except 1 of the taller girls got a more chemical leaning smell - almost like the kiddies strawberry flavoured toothpaste, sweet but chemical kinda smell. cut the first 2 clones off each girl yesterday, here's to hoping for at least 1 of each to root. Family Photo - 1 through 5 left to right Close ups 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - that's all for now folks, next update we will be looking at bud morphology.

This is a sad read. Also willing to contribute to keep the site going, though I probably wont be around for much longer either. absolutely shit with anything IT, didn't even know how to use the site when I started, but I'm a fast learner

I vote dry trim all the way

Yeah that'll be the best way, I usually have one or two clones I've taken from my indoor plants and just leave them outside to do their thing, but when septemer comes we move into veg time so then you can't take a plant outside to flower it. Gona be tricky now if you start a plant and give it one to two months veg, then we in veg season outdoors anyway, then you gona need to keep her indoors to flower The months kinda represent the seasons, but for outdoor cannabis it's spring season = sowing season, summer = veg and then fall and winter = flower, but this is all based on the hours of daylight and the solstices, when a certain area hits longest day and shortest night and vice versa, that's a better indication of the changing of the seasons and sometimes it hits different areas at different times. it's always been kinda changing little by little as nature does and every year it will fall on a different day, but has shifted quite drastically in the last few years so a lot of outdoor growers have experienced strange flower cycles. you can easily just google the sunrise and sunset hours in your area and you can also monitor your yard to see what area gets the longest period of direct sunlight in a day, but this also changes in summer and winter so then placing of your outdoor grow becomes important. My yard sucks for outdoor cannabis growing, doesn't stop me from having plants outside, but they do all kinds of strange things. basically no part of my yard gets direct sunlight for long enough to make a good veg spot and there's stray lights all around the house, streetlights and outdoor lights so always got plants going into flower way too early from not enough sunlight hours during the day then they foxtail from getting stray lights all night stuff to keep in mind