PsyCLown

This is true, at what point is it no longer a pollen chuck? People take time to select specific cuts to breed together and then release as an F1, is this a pollen chuck? They sometimes pick a nice cut of a specific plant and then breed it with a variety of their existing strains - is this a pollen chuck? Seeing lines past F1 is not very common now a days, it feels as breeders do not mention how far down it has been bred either and I always assume it is just an F1. As you have said though, does it really matter as long as the buyer gets some awesome dank at the end and is happy with their purchase. Everyone is looking for different aspects in their bud and strains they choose. Variety is always nice as well.

Poll closed, new one is here: This is for the year 2021.

So I did a thread like this with a poll last year and since we end up spending more and more each year - thought why not update it on a yearly basis. So just equipment, not the actual running costs like electricity, nutes, coco and also not including seeds). The names will not be publicly displayed, so you can vote with confidence as I understand this could be a touchy subject if everyone could see the names of the voters.

Maybe we do it as a yearly poll? We done one for 2020, we can do one for 2021 now. Then one for 2022. lol

Looks like a beautiful plant to trim! Not a lot of leaf at all We want more pics though!

As time goes on, the amount I have spent on grow equipment just keeps increasing. Perhaps a bump is in order

I think it also comes down to what you are looking for in a strain. I will agree, just because a strain puts out frost does not mean it is super potent or full of terps. I grew a bagseed plant which which put out some decent frost, infact here is a picture of it. Not on the same level as in house genetics, but for bagseed it certainly surprised me and puts out more frost than a lot of strains people are still buying, even some more expensive ones. Tasted like nothing and the potency was not there. I honestly expected a lot more from it. During flower it smelt great though. With a lot of the in house genetics I currently grow, frost is there but yield takes a knock. The high is very pleasant and does change between strains but the terps are very similar, especially once smoked they taste very very similar. Some are a bit different but for the most part the ones I have grown out are quite similar indeed. Potency is good too though. Without a doubt In House Genetics chuck pollen, as do a lot of other popular breeders. As you said, it does feel like it is a game about pushing as many lines as possible and it works off hype. I feel Ethos are worse though as they do the exact same thing but their strains are really overhyped. They sell you on a beautiful description, sometimes include some nice pictures and what you get when you grow it out is far from what you expect. Not much special most of the time and Ethos might get lucky on one or two of their lines. Heck even @Totemic does a bit of pollen chucking at times to get new strains out. Breeding and not releasing F1's and waiting until they are bred further is a very time consuming process. I feel a breeder does not necessarily have a choice if they want to get some of the newer strains into their mixes in a timely manner. Is there anything wrong with pollen chucking? Well, this is perhaps another topic on it's own but it has its appeal and uses for both breeders and growers. As a grower I do not really want to see this amazing strain and not be able to buy it for a couple of months, more realistically years. As you have said, a lot of strains can seem quite similar. What has stood out from the rest is these super frosty strains. It is visual and you can clearly see and tell whether it is different and do not rely on someone else stating that the terps are amazeballs and the high lasted as long as the plant flowered for. Compound Genetics have some, In House Genetics have some, Relentless Genetics have and others as well - unfortunately trying to get some of these strains locally is near impossible and they are often limited runs (Compound Genetics particularly), however I would expect the terps to differ a bit between these super frosty strains but unfortunately do not have much experience yet due to not being able to get said strains. I think I may have asked this before in another thread, also don't misunderstand - I was not and am not taking a knock at Golden Goose or the strains you sell - far from it. Although the strains you guys sell are a mix of the old school stuff with some newer ones, is that correct? What is the appeal for you behind these strains which you stock versus just the new stuff? Stuff which is put out by some of the breeders mentioned above who have become quite popular and who have put out some strains with that "next level" frost. What is your view on some of the guys like BeLeaf who do a lot of growing and chuck pollen between two great cuts he comes across? I think maybe the industry has changed with cannabis being legal in a few places and more people growing their own and people are now easily able to grow their own and share what they have and what they are growing and what they have found. They can do so legally in a lot of places as well, combined with the internet - someone finds a keeper, it is easier to share it and document it and ship it off to others to make use of. It no longer relies on a small group of guys who grow out thousands of seeds to try find that one special plant and then trying to make the most of it. Not as many people buying seeds or wanting to buy seeds as well, so releases could take longer I feel - not if a breeder can only release a strain after say 2 to 3 years of breeding they're going to have a limited amount of strains to offer. Are most of the strains from your side not F1's?

I agree. The climate has been changing, CO2 levels would be higher now which is better for the plants. Breeding has lead to strains which put out higher THC and more frost as well. What is the appeal behind these old school strains? I know peeps like @Golden-Goose focus on a lot of the old school strains, perhaps with a bit of a modern twist. As you said, to me it feels like a marketing thing as companies have gone and taken the status behind some popular strains and ended up with their own version of said strain, which when grown out from their seeds is nothing like the original might I add, and sell it in hopes that people will buy it based on the name and the fact that it is easily available and cheap. I feel a lot of the dutch seed guys have done this. It might be nostalgia as well if there is someone from that era who use to smoke. Think that the weed was better - perhaps more potent or the terps were better or whatever the case may be. Often this is not the case though, it is a known fact that us humans are not good at remember detail accurately over a long period of time and what we recall as memories from our childhood for example can end up being quite different to what reality was as the years go on. With weed and substances, there is also the novelty as well as set and setting which need to be taken into consideration. The first few times you smoked weed, the effects may have been very different and I know for a fact this has happened to me. I used to get the giggles a lot and now I almost never get them when smoking. I do not feel this is the weed I am smoking now, but more the fact that the novelty has worn off. You get a fast car, it is awesome but over time you get use to the speed and it becomes normal. Similar concept. You may also associate smoking with some fun activities you did when you were younger, that may affect the way you recall the weed being. Tolerance I feel can also play a role. I recently took a break from smoking for the month of August, not that I felt I had built up a big tolerance but smoking after the break, it hits a lot harder again. Go from smoking and building up a tolerance on shitty outdoor, to smoking some good indoor and you notice the difference! Landraces can be fun to play with I guess, the old school strains I can understand from a collection point of view but in terms of them being better. I do not feel that is the case and need to disagree with it. Life goes on, things improve with time and weed has improved in multiple aspects over the past 3o+ years.

You kinda have to buy it in bulk, I cannot remember the quantity but I think it was something stupid like 25KG of each and there are 4 parts to it. If you want ease and convenience, Terra Aquatica TriPart is the way to go. Not cheap but works a bomb.

What about a nice mankini? The investment is totally worth it. Buy a pizza oven, get people to eat pizza and trim your bud in exchange for some fresh, home made pizza. Providing pizza is like a vacation. Gives me time to go to the beach with my mankini.

I agree, I also think a big difference with cannabis is whether one is growing indoors or outdoors and if outdoors, is it in pots or straight into the ground? Although I guess the same can be applied to just about anything someone is growing.

Very cool mix, I like it

Looks good and not a terrible yield!

Backhand those trichs! Tell them to get their asses in gear.... or else

Yes, they go hand in hand. Microbes and fungi are often seen in "organic" grows, however at what point is a grow no longer organic? If you do a foliar with some CalMag or perhaps do a feed with some CalMag or something along these lines? Just because it is organic does not mean microbes and fungi are being used, on the other hand just because someone is using salt nutes, does not mean they are not making use of microbes and fungi. As well as just because someone is using some organic soil with microbes and fungi, does not mean it is an organic grow as other additives, supplements, nutes or sprays could be used which are not organic. They may go hand in hand, but they are separate and I feel people often see it as a whole and therefore often limit it to "organic" grows or soil grows. As long as it works for you We both believe that fungi and microbes can be beneficial for a grow and we both make use of them. We just disagree on certain points which is completely fine and I guess this is kinda like religion in a way. lol

So a sneak peak of what is happening currently Cannot wait to trim these and process the trim

@donnob So how was your weekend?

So I cut down some more plants this weekend, they're now hanging and drying so let's see how these turn out - a lot more In House Genetics in this cut at least Tent is pretty empty now, not much left in there

@Prom Where did you get that silicone bowl from?

Dab is awesome! So the screen is just there to ensure no trim gets into the final product and to only allow the butane which contains the goodness to pass through? Very nice! Do you have a heating mat for the vac chamber? That will also help get rid of any remaining butane.

Very nice, how did you use the 20 micron screen? Also as far as I am aware, the extract is only referred to as rosin if it is pressed in a rosin press and no solvents should have been used either. BHO is what you used as it was a butane extract. Did you put the dab / BHO into the vac chamber afterwards as well? I have noticed that using sun and/or a bit of heat on a stove does not remove all of the butane and using a vac chamber afterwards would still be beneficial and help purge a bit more of the butane Looks great though and being able to keep the butane in the tube and allowing it to sit for a bit would certainly help increase the yield Have you sampled any yet?

So you're chopping after week 14? [emoji14] Sent from my Redmi Note 7 Pro using Tapatalk

I personally do not use copper soap, aq sf can be sprayed in veg as well. In veg sulphur sprays are what I typically do, normally just one before I flip to flower and then can do a preventative aq sf spray in flower on a weekly basis. If you have a PM issue, then perhaps sulphur on a weekly basis to prevent PM and then once in flower switch to aq sf, if you notice any PM then bump up the aq sf dose. If purchasing the aq sf and other sprays from Jamies garden shop, go for the 1L and not the 250ml. I have purchased both and suspect the 250ml is just decanted with a printer label stuck on and at times have not noticed the usual globs floating around like in the 1L version - so makes me wonder whether they shook the 1L before decanting into 250ml bottles. Also keep the aq sf in the fridge to help extend the shelf life.