Naughty.Psychonaut

that picture chrisjay posted is crazy, aswell as few pictures from the first page of the thread, gotta be some old school or rather less tampered-with stuff! @Prom you guys hunted some of the swazi and malawi stuff yet? would be interesting to see what they do and if they worth keeping around? let's put the end product aside, for a backyard breeder, how likely are you to find desirable traits to work with in that batch of seeds versus the same size batch of F4 regulars of the modern polypolypoly stuff? my inexperienced mind would just tell me that a breeder has to go way deeper into the "untampered-with" stuff to find worthy traits than you would with the modern stuff. and that speaks volumes to the whole topic of how todays strains are the strains of the day, because of human interverntion and selective breeding. not the other way around. there are reasons why history is important, for sure, that's why we should know about these old school strains, they have their rightful place in all our hearts just as they did in the 70's to the people who made it big in the industry at the time, the very reason is because they where selected by the masses back when all the crosses where still just landrace crosses. I am not saying finding those old school stuff is impossible, it actually is possible just more likely for the big time growers and not the average joe, because a strain doesn't gain unicorn status by simply being available online, it also only makes sense to me if you reeeally know what you looking for and you're able to go deeeeep into the genetic pool, because to the untrained you'll find something pure and grow it out and be thoroughly displeased by its looks, smell and growth and everything, without knowing what they really looking at. even the trained and extra seasoned will find more undesirable traits than desirable ones, hence the reason why you should be able to go deeep in the gene pool.

You clearly do have a lot to say about it, well so do I and this is a social platform where people discuss things cannabis related. We all have a lot to say about a lot of topics on this forum, that's why we're here, but like mr.ChrisJay said, we talk respectfully. I understand we all have emotions, but keeping a hair trigger on your emotions and being a hot head is just bad qualities in general. If you don't wana have a normal discussion, then don't. It's simple. Anyway, hope everyone is having a nice weekend so far! Be safe and enjoy!

I mean, I saw all the talk as respectful except the part where someone had to apologise for coming across hostile instead of pressing backspace a couple times and try rewriting what they said and this after they claim to not even have read the full thread, AND the same person goes on to call others out on letting their feelings in the way. honestly I don't even see a point in talking to people like that anyway so what I am saying is not aimed at anyone specific, but if someone feels they fall under the mentioned catagories and these things apply to you, then so be it. what you highlighted there is a good question with an easy answer.... mr. @Golden-Goose are you trying to tell me that a brand like cookies became so big by random selection? or some sort of "elite man algorithm" that chooses people based on how cool they are? or based on anything other than the quality of weed they put forth?????? man..... you really going to be doing this to yourself? a brand like cookies got as big as they are simply because the masses chose them. now I am not saying they NEVER did random selection to find some new stuff, but I am as sure as I am that the sun will rise in the morning that a brand like cookies did NOT get as big as they are by luck or by putting out shit products. it's super simple... they listened to what the people want and most important of all, they didn't let their feelings get in the way

@mantis this was an epic grow to follow man, great stuff!! you gona make some bubble hash or how will you be extracting?

damn booiii got a good friend there to let you use his fluence!!!

well, a landrace and a popular old school strain is not the same thing. let's focus on the topic at hand here, popular old school strains. I feel since that "polypolypoly hybrid smashed with a polypolypoly hybrid" thing was mentioned it kinda built a wall in this conversation that shouldn't be there, nature would've created a polypolypoly hybrid smashed with a polypolypoly hybrid anyway, just because us humans did it selectively according to what we like and what sells best (because that's what the masses like and want) does not make them a bad thing. this is how time works, it waits for no one and it changes all the time. so I guess you're right about clinging to the past so hard in a game that's ever changing is defs gona come back and bite you in the end. @Golden-Goose just because you don't like the bullshit desert names being used as marketing does also not mean the weed is shit or anything worse than the stuff back in the day. because of human intervention and selective breeding we do get to choose the names of our strains we create, sadly that's just how it works and we are wasting time and energy getting upset about it. at best it's basically the same, with the exception that GOOOOD TASTING FROSTY weed was harder to find back in the day, making it somewhat of a trophy weed, when today GOOD TASTING FROSTY weed is everywhere. to me that's a huge improvement.... just gotta allow the times to be to really appreciate it for what it is.

hahah this "looking for those old school strains" is a never ending thing in this cannabis community, and I really can't wrap my head around it. SO MANY factors come into play. everything changes. even the nature of things change when given enough time and this is a good thing, it's growth, we need to grow and allow things and ourselves to change. the big deal when it comes to looking for a certain strain. you have to know what you looking for hey golden key this is a big contribution to my notion that many classic strains people are looking for are gone, because people don't even really know what exactly they looking for. then they find something with that name, make a purchase and the best among the batch will be labled "the real deal" when in reality the closest you will get is just something slightly similar. this is causing further confusion and people who go around claiming they have the real deal because it's got the same name is really shouldn't be doing that. I see labling a strain with a old school name as a marketing tactic used because of the hype around old school strains. there was a video posted on here not too long ago explaining genetic plasticity, going deep into physiological morphology based on response to unique environments and human intervention. saying you're hunting a old school strain and expecting it to be like the "real deal from the 70's" is like saying you looking for an ancestor of yours that looks, speaks, acts, smells, has the same blood type and exact same evrything as you. which is just a wild thing to say.......... I would love to know from some of these old school hunters on the forum, is the weed of today not good enough for you or what's the reason for clinging to the past? I am willing to bet that the strains you guys are looking for, or shall I rather say the "profiles" you guys are looking for are right under your noses, it's just got a new name... Is it just the name you guys are looking for and the ability to say "hey mate, I got a jar of the real deal old school original shit from the 70's". or are you guys for real hunting those strains? cz you gotta be a real big time grower to be doing a real hunt like that. I am sure most of you guys are familiar with Arjan Roskam and the strainhunter show? You can't just grow 100 plants in your back yard and call it a strain hunt. You'll need to be able to have a grow setup in every second corner of the world and I mean mountain side grows of a couple acres, you have to be able to travel the world and do insane amounts of research to be doing a hunt like that.... otherwise you're just looking for a strain with a old school name and of that there is a litteral TON out there. every seed bank offers some or other "original". ✌

oh man, that's one good looking cabbage you harvested! veg space also looking goood, the bottom middle plant, is that the branches from the cannabis plant that's intertwined like that?

this video been in my feed for a while, watched it just last night, good share man, thanks! this video speaks a lot on the whole "skunk #1" discussion that was had on here a while back. every day in the cannabis community you will hear someone saying "I am looking for that old school genetics", in understanding what that means the people who say it need to also understand what they're actually saying. at the very least. you can get a seed with that name, easy. some guys been working with cannabis for long enough that they breeding seeds these days and they still claiming phenotypes from back in 1970's will be still the same today. you might find seeds with those names, even the seeds with those names directly from the breeder that shat the brick of gold back in the 70's, that does not in the slightest mean that the genetics are still the same. Phenotypical Plasticity - I will remember that, because I know it won't be too long before I hear those "I am looking for that REAL DANK old school genetics" words again.

oh man! any damage to the product? whatever it may be...

but seriously why that nylon strap tearing into the box like that?

should flower not be 20:00 ON 08:00 OFF I run LEDs with very little heat, but still pushes the temps up by 5°C or so depending on given situation, I live in the Boland where it goes up to 45°C in the peak of summer. If I ran my light up till 14:00 in the afternoon, veg or flower, I will be toasting my plants I have to try working around this, which leaves me with a no brainer. I look at the hottest time of day then work back from there, during veg you got 18hrs on and I have to avoid the hours between 11:00 and 15:00, because that's really the hottest times of the day. My options are - 1. Lights come on at 15:00 when the day starts to cool down, is on for 18 hours and goes off at 09:00 the next morning. 2. Lights come on at 17:00 and stays on till 11:00 just before the day really heats up. For the plants option 1 will mean that their hottest time of day will be when the lights just come on, option two will mean that their hottest time of day will be at the end of their light cycle, which is closer to how it is in nature and this is why I went with option 2.

here is my peyote collection 6+ months olds 1+ year olds 2+ years olds 5+ years old 10+ years old, she made flowers and seeds for me ❤ The bunch, and random photos these where used for grafting Here's the grafts of the two, onto san pedros And then, of course a butt load of Lophophora Williamsii X Pereskiopsis Spathulata Grafts, from the same batch that is one year olds on their own roots, these have been grafted for 6 of the 12 months, see the size difference anyway, won't make you guys look at every single one of all of these it will take forever! but yeah, have not eaten any of the peyotes, yet

@PsyCLown well, I get what you're saying, that not all fungus form a symbiotic relatioship with all plants, that's spot on. however, what I said is that "mycorrhizal" fungi grow in symbiosis with plants. in general. rhizomorphs, on the other hand, cast a broad net of different kinds of "root forming" species, (plants rhizomorph aswell, because they form roots, not only fungus) and from the group of all rhisomorphs you might find a few that don't grow in symbiosis with certain plants. Rhizomorph was just the wrong word, but mycorrhizal fungi cannot affect your crop negatively, because that literally deminishes the meaning of the word mycorrhizal. here is a pdf, first few words will explain. https://extension.okstate.edu/fact-sheets/print-publications/hla/mycorrhizal-fungi-hla-6449.pdf you can google if you want a more reliable source

good to note that depending on which rhizomorph and which crop you'll have variabilities in the outcome of the relationship. some will be companions some will be competition.

thanks for clearing that up for us. silly me!!! replace rhizomorph with mycorrhizal

just a little - this could possibly mean nothing here, but just a few pointers to keep in mind when working with pine when composting we avoid pine wood/bark/needles all together, because it messes with the ph of the soil. when planting acid loving plants such as Fynbos, Hydrangeas and Azaleas it's recommended to add some pine bark/needles to turn the soil acidic. pine oil is also antifungal which makes it harmfull to some microbes, the mycelial mass you see there is most probably one specific species that love pine and might not be a rhizomorph (a fungus growing in symbiotic relation with plants) that looks to be more of a saprotroph (fungus that grows on dead or decaying organic matter). when we forage mushrooms we don't pick mushrooms growing on or near pine trees as the pine juice / oil is not good for human consumption and the mushrooms or well any microbial life upsorb it unknowingly. generally I don't like putting any decaying wood in my soils, unless still in the composting heap while it's cooking. the reason is because the life inside the rhizosphere is not active enough to break down whole peices of wood fast enough so it becomes a breeding ground for unwanted pathogens and even lures insect life, who knows there might even be eggs already laid inside the wood.

Welcome to the dancefloor, can't wait to see how you bust a move for us

Final tally and a small report, better late than never as they say I stand quite firm on only smoking the bud once reached 62% RH inside the jars, sometimes this happens before 5 weeks of cure, in that case I will wait out the 5 weeks before smoking and if 5 weeks have passed and I am not on 62% yet I leave the buds out for 24hrs and back in the jar for 24hrs and repeat till 62% before first smoke. Zkittle 3 I have not smoked yet, so only looks and smell report there. ZKITTLE #1 - Just by the looks of it, I would say this pheno is 60%Indica leaning and 40%Sativa. Whole plant was quite dense, but the buds grew quite long, not too dense and there's a sativa terpene overtone that cannot be overlooked. Smoke taste gets better and the effects get stronger every day still. Very quickly reminded of its indica properties once smoked, can feel quite a body melt set in and muscles relax, mind goes void of all thoughts. calming and relaxing effect. This plant made a 10.98g bud. YIELD = 69g ZKITTLE #2 - Here we have an even more Indica leaning pheno, I would say around 70%Indica and 30%Sativa. Much smaller plant and buds, smell is more diesel dankness than her sister, but still got that sour sweetness to it that kinda rings that Zkittle bell, when I open the jars my mouth salivates like when you're about to eat some sour sweets, just like when you got a bunch of zkittles in your mouth. Effects are mostly indica-like, because of the lack of limonene and sativa associated terpenes my mind does not get tricked into thinking it has energy at all, so yeah mostly a relaxer this one. YIELD = 67g ZKITTLE #3 - I like this one the best out of the 3 phenos. I am not for conventional bag appeal, to me this bud looks damn good. I don't want a super dense bud that indicates a lot of indica genes. This pheno looks around 30%Indica and 70%Sativa. Plant was a stretcher, tallest of the bunch, she also turned a little purple which I am not the biggest fan of, but it suits her. she made long thin buds, I thought she was gona yield the least of the 3 phenos because of how she looked, but typical to how they are the sativa leaning plant yielded more than the indica leaning varieties. The smell is pure zkittles, sweet sour uplifting refreshing smell coming from her tricking my mind even further into thinking I got a heap of energy. No smoke and effect report yet. YIELD = 84g SOUR LEMON OG - What can I say, I fell inlove the day I chopped her down, got hit in the face with a smell of lemons that makes my nose run. Opens up the airways! Really proud of this plant, I was looking for something with a little zest and she provided!!! For a sativa dominant strain she grew quite small, but true to their behaviour the buds never got too dense. The smoke taste and effect is something to write home about, earthy undertone with a citrus powerpunch overtone, my eyes widen when I smoke her and I certainly feel awake for the first 4 to 6 hours after smoking, if that's my mind being tricked cauze I like the strain so much or if it really is the sativa traits, I wouldn't be able to say. but I LOVE this strain. YIELD = 73g BANANA HAMMOCK - The hard hitter in my stable at the moment! Very strong indica here, couple nights ago during the week I woke up in the living room at a random time past midnight with half a joint next to my hand. Had to try and remember when I even lit the thing, next morning I almost overslept. Smell and taste is exactly alike, creamy vanilla ice cream with a hidden fruity tone, might still come out over time hopefully as I am not toooo fond of the creamy smell... think the purple has something to do with it. Tried getting a good photo, but my photography skills are non existent so none of the shots I got does the flower justice, so I took a few Probably need better equipment too. YIELD = 63g There is just about 10g mix of all the plants' larfy popcorn buds that I will put with the 40g of sugar leaf, gona make some dry sift the old school Afghani way. TOTAL YIELD = 365g smokable buds LIGHT TRUE WATT = 310w 140L root space, FF premium classic living soil, biobizz organic nutrients with few organic amendments here and there, 1m x 1m x 2m flower space, canopy started 15cm from pot and highest point of the canopy reached 45cm from the pot. Now time to push those numbers! This is already an improvement on my previous grow and I have to say with the little over 1g a watt (I know that doesn't mean cery much) I am quite the happy camper always room for more improvement and room to grow is endless.

@Smelly Joe ever made yourself some sludge from those beautiful cacti? I went on a heck of journy about a month back, still unpacking my brain from the whole adventure... started a little thread, I'll quickly try find it

cool, so we got 3L gone, leaves 7L up for grabs for R1225.

hope all is well, Serenade is available to farmers not to public, I am connected to a company that distributes bulk. Smallest quantity I can hook up is 10L of Bayer Serenade ASO for R1750, it comes from a depot in Tzaneen so will take a couple days to get here. If a bunch of us jump in we can split costs and product. I would also recommend not getting too much of it as it contains live organisms. Cold storage will help it keep a little longer, but for nothing more than a couple years. I would say 3 years of improper storage it will start to depreciate in viability. https://www.cropscience.bayer.africa/content/dam/bayer-crop-science/south-africa/bcs/product-labels/english/serenade_aso_label_eng.pdf https://www.cropscience.bayer.africa/content/dam/bayer-crop-science/south-africa/bcs/product-msds/serenade_aso_msds.pdf On the flip side, AQSF is the product we use in SA that has the same implications and target the same species of parasites. It covers a broader spectrum of indiginous organisms it will counter act, where as serenade covers more species indiginous to other parts of the world. This is why we have the one product here and the serenade is elsewhere. INTERESTING TIP and a good rule of thumb is to not consistantly use the same products in your IPM regime, even if you have NO bugs or pests it's always good to alternate between tried and tested products to cast an even borader net of protection and avoid the pests and diseases building up an immunity and becoming accustomed to the products you're using. so I would also recommend buying some Serenade. and probably taking 1L myself if we do grab the 10L so to fill the order we will need another R1575 for 9L

can't wait to see your new budbox booooiiiii

well shit, funny how that works hey! when you cough up the your chances of luck go up!! it's like the game is rigged yeah Inhouse is a name we have all heard a bunch! nice stable genetics and I gotta say you guys selected some good ones

yeah that's what I was thinking and that it's more a situation of adding than sterilizing here.. a whole list of lactic bacterias are all well known bio fertilizers and to a certain extent it kinda acts a little like silicates in where they're both a growth stimulant but can also protect the plant. although it's more likely that these things are used as a addative rather than using it for IPM