Naughty.Psychonaut

my query is this, as I mentioned before, I do what you're talking about, almost all the time, the careful removal of the apical node, but because I am not doing this only when there are already 3 other nodes the results I get 95% of the time is just 2 branches. the same amount I would end up with when topping. since the first time of a plants life I remove a apical node the way FIM is described, so does this mean I am FIM ing? keep in mind you just described that FIMing should leave more branches....?

ok so, after little investigation, so far nowhere in horticulture does the term or abbreviation FIM get used other than amongst modern cannabis growers. I understand it might be a new thing, but it really should get a more appropriate name than "fuck I missed" cause that just sounds like some 14 year old kid growing his first ditch weed and trying to sound cool...

I have just gained so much more resistance to that term, it's literally the same thing. does this even exist anywhere else in plant terminology or is it just with cannabis growers? cause if it's just with cannabis growers I am going to laugh. all plants get topped, so there better be a FIM of all plants.... let's see

I won't register FIM in my vocabulary as anything I've done both, both do the same, I manipulate my plant by looking at it if I want it lower I cut it, if I want more side branches I cut it.

How does this even mean "fuck I missed" what did you miss? if you plucked it, you plucked it, you didn't miss it? what am I not getting? at least with my explination, which was just one of the 100's I have heard, it's more fitting as when you realise a certain shoot taking off faster it means that one has not been toppen, hence "missed"...

have you FIM'd as early as the 3rd node as soon as side branches form? you can trigger the bushy structure by fimming early bro. easy peasy lemon squeezy. I do all my plants like this. when they clones, even easier. just "FIM" the longest node the whole time.

thanks for the explination I get what you're saying, because when I google it, that's what I find... the reason for my statement is I been hearing 100 things about "FIM" -ing, certainly have heard the explination before, I worked with ouens that's 70 years old and growing weed for over 40 years, they "top" their plants the way you described and when I mentioned "FIM" he asked me what the hell I am talking about... soooo I don't know bout that one hey it's obvious that you would save the plant some stress the less of the plant you cut/take/snap/break away and the longer you grow plants the finer your touch becomes and you figure this out and naturally just start doing it, it's topping, but I will let these gurus know that the scientific word for their method is "FIM-ing" and they shouldn't confuse the newer growers with the wrong terminology. it's literally a modern abbreviation

let's look at the extreme end of the spectrum, people reveg fully harvested plants by just leaving a couple nodes after you harvested, so basically there is no "too late to top". that's why I say you can cut at any time and anywhere so long as she's not under 12/12 light cycle and you leave a couple nodes. "FIM" is mos if you already topped a few tops and look at the grow in a couple days to see a few tops rising above the others and realise "Fuck, I Missed", and is used -in a hurry- when refering to a specific topping method, but it's basically the same thing one is just more accurate and the other a slang term. but most importantly, photos?

you can cut tops off at any time anywhere on the plant, just so long as you leave a node or two. obviously don't cut when she's flowering unless you doing a clean up of the undercanopy. a lot of peoples outdoor plants are flowering already, but you got a tent and can control light cycle. what cycle you on? you got any photos for us?

I believe when I referred to "tech" you thought I was saying techno, but I mean more "technical" as in "higher level of difficulty or intricacy" as I believe all the genres we are discussing falls under techno anyway. there are even techno stuff that come from minimal techno producers that have some slight technical vibes, but it's toooo slow for me! now speed this one up and it will already sound more technical, add some sounds in the right places and make it sound good. then we got something going

Yebo, all those can be thrown under the same name, but I feel trance is -to a broad extent- a sub genre of techno. or not? over the last 5 to 10 years "trance" morphed into all kinds of different things aswell, if you go to a trance party now a days they play different kinds of trance. there are even specific "progressive trance parties" "goa trance parties" "minimal trance parties" "dark psytrance parties" "high tech trance parties" that people attend specifically to hear a specific kind of trance, you'll never hear a "progressive trance" song playing at a high tech party. people will leave. so it is really far from all being the same. "techno music" is a very broad term itself. it's a term that gained traction in the mid to late 80's when more and more music was produced using only or mostly instruments that didn't have only an aucustic output, for once, but rather needed electricity to function at all. it was made possible by the technological revolution, giving us techno music. then it became all the other things we have today made in the same way, but sounds different. let's not forget rave trance itself is a sub genre that adapted a lot of "spiritual" meaning and followers and I've noticed that they like to keep all things trance related as positive as they can for the moment being and there's a growing number of people that feel quite strongly about not letting the genres mix, not cause of the quality of the music, but sadly because of the whole before mentioned thing... It's not like trance has always been about keeping it pure and turning their backs on the world, I mean look at the Coming Soon guys, mixing kanye into their trance. The thing is, the spiritual people really want as little as possible negative energies around and the best way to achieve this is to not argue with them to change their ways, but rather to play a certain kind of music they don't care to understand or like. Now that we have seen what happens when the event gets advertised like a whore around christmas, such as EDM festivals, we rather wana keep "trance" what it is, and keep the mix stuff out, if someone comes with a commercial mix they will not be playing a trance party. hopefully soon they'll keep their music pure or rather start wanting to only play at electro dance events where they are welcome. I been to a couple electro dance festivals myself, their trance stages have real poo music playing man. the poorest examples of trance out there. trance can be a lot of things, but any bit of commercial mix in it makes it house music. I'm also retired from the scene, long before covid came along I stopped wasting my time and money on events. just like to throw a lekker beat through the speakers every now and then like I said when I feel all willy nilly, though the more repetetive it is to me the less chance I will listen to it, like those last few songs you posted. I started the first 20 seconds of the first one, had to put it off. the d&b you posted first is nice though

bush life is the life woah, that's a good one to note! always got lotsa DE around

lol yeah but there's a difference between eina and dead hahah but I understand what you mean! avoid them all I got stung on my toe by a scorpion like 2 years back, luckily not a deadly guy but I wouldn't have known that had I not taken photos... the fucker was in my shoe, but to his defence I was working deeeep in the bush up in the mountains with holes in my vellies! here's the fucker that got me almost every year around this time, when it starts heating up, snakes come out. we had that overpopulation situation with puff adders. some times we'll have to move up to 3 of them on a day! check out this chonker we didn't have too many cobras, though I think I spotted a rinkhals once, but he was gone before I could confirm. we did come across this beautiful dosile little cape cobra one day, usually they scurry off when we spot them, but it seemed this guy wanted some company, he curled up on the rake and just kinda chilled with us for a while. was also quite cold that day, so maybe that slowed him down a bit.

I get you, yeah early trance was a different thing to the song I posted, the CD I mentioned that was given to me around 2000 did not contain the song I posted, it was a GOA Gill CD. pure as trance could be. Trance grew from GOA music which was psychedelic in itself, so trance can't really be trance if it's not "psytrance". it's just another form of the word. depending on who you ask. Sooo I technically did not call that trance, I did kinda mention "high tech" before that song, but that's also not high tech either. It's just a good tech song. I have to say, to me, old school trance such as armin and those guys, even the GOA Gil cd I recieved, all have very little technical style to their sounds and a more pronounced "doef doef doef" with no other sounds in between, just sounds like a slowed down version of trances' rolling bass, accentuating how repetetive it is. that rolling bass resides in all techno, but atleast with high tech you get a little extra... old school trance didn't quite have the right computer programs to write such intricate tech music and therefor sounded a lot more repetetive than todays trance, because it was slower and less sounds. like the house and d&b we get today. I saw Coming Soon live a number of years back at one of the Alien Safari trance party here in CPT. it's trance alright, got some tech here and there, but because of the mix of over commercialised music it attracted the wrong crowds. it was a nightmare of an event. half the people had their tents cut open and shit taken out, a lot of fights broke out, some people got stabbed.... some shit you'll never see at a true trance party.... The new school "psytrance" side of tech does not allow overly commercial music, because of the crowds it attracts. There is a small group of about 100 to 200 people here in CPT that get together every now and then through invites only and we moer the trance trance. No mix music. I guess to me the most important part is the technical stuff, I really don't mind the bass roll but it must just be a little faster and accompanied with other sounds. trance really have come a long long way since the likes of those coming soon guys. they are ou nuus my bra, they don't even play trance parties anymore and should be concidered house music these days with their mixes. check out some of these guys. completely different thing all together.

she's looking mighty fine brother damn, you know the species of scorpion you got there? you know what they say about those guys, "big pinchers - small venom, small pinchers - big venom" and it looks like that guy got some really small pinchers or is it just out of sight? snakes are spine tingly little freaks of nature, adds to why I like them so much! luckily the cape cobra falls part of the half of the genus that doesn't spit, but still their bite is deadly. their venom contains some potent neurotoxin that'll shut down your central nervous system in just a couple of hours, fisrt thing that'll happen is the nerves in your brain stop telling your lungs what to do and you'll die of respitory paralysis. not cool at all...

@PsyCLown aweee brother lekker lekker early Saturday morning power I don't always have the time to swing by this thread, but every now and then when I do, boy oh boy loving all the tech vibes you bring man, perfect for blasting it in the background while getting my hands dirty in the garden! I fell inlove with D&B as a kid till one of my older sisters' boyfriends gave me a trance CD somwhere around 2000, naturally went through a phase in school where everyone frowned upon anything techno and before I knew it 80% of our matric group wanted to go hang out at trance parties cause it's the new "cool" thing. shit became comercialised this was around the time dubstep became big and trance became more like D&B to attract the massive crowds. skrillex with his weird stuff made a flash bang on the scene with his hyper dubstep overkill mixing almost all the techno in some mechanical techno sound orgy and just ruined it for everyone. I couldn't listen to a D&B song without a 1min dubstep cut somewhere in it or a poor example of a trance beat ruining the whole song. and I love techno, I just don't know what the hell that was..... anyway, these days we see people conserving these technical genres and keeping them seperate. this is pure D&B man, clean and classic. when I'm feeling real willy nilly I pomp the high tech, I like the music to give a forresty swampy vibe, don't know if you're into trance at all, but here's one for you

yebo, 18h light 6h dark = vegetive growth 12h light 12h dark = flower growth however you achieve that is up to you

only a pleasure brobeans I see why you would go with the autos, yeah. a lot of growers I know that's got some years behind them will keep auto seeds to have year round harvests outdoors, because you're not as dependent on light cycles. but knowing how to get literally every single step in place before the plant even shows a single sign of stress is the key to growing a auto. about the loadshedding and light schedule thing, you see the only way it can go is to reduce the hours of light your plant gets. right? I don't know what area you're in, but my area gets hit with loadshedding 3 times a day at 2hrs each time. this equals to 6hrs of complete darkness and leaves me with 18hrs of electricity. that's a perfect veg cycle for a photoperiod plant. come flower time you need to reduce the 18 down to 12hrs anyway, so you don't nees more or longer hours of electricity anyway. the worrying thing when comes to loadshedding is RH, especially during winter. when your extractor and circulation fans go off it gives time for mold spores to settle and take host. most likely loadshedding gona cause you harm it will be in the form of powdery mildew.

this is cool information, might even run a little testy test myself what do you do about soil composition? besides adding perlite and/or vermiculite do you sieve anything out or you just choose the right bags off the get go? for instance, i've bought cheap potting soil from the commercial nursery only to have about a 2:1:1 mix of grit sand, bark and some halfway decomposed leaves .... this was way way back before really growing my own weed and not knowing a thing about soil, I thought it was the best damn thing, needless to say it wasn't. because of the heavy amount of bark the N levels kept rising over time and the soil compacted like a mother cause of all the fine dust from all the load of sand in the mix. drainage worked well for the first month or so till the bark became a sludge and together with the compaction created a whole anaerobic mess and basically I ended up with mud. I guess to do what you're doing one already needs to have a basic understanding of soil and what to shoot for and what to avoid.

woah! I was just about to say that the little bit at the top might not be enough to fill a 30L pot/bag, this is why I was thinking the size of the soil bags sold might have to increase, but you're saying it can fill even more than that without making the bag any bigger? well.... uuh now see ..... now I would like to change my answer. I would like to get a full 30L bag for same price

yeah like a 30L bag is our "general measurement" and is more accurate than saying 30kg bag like Psy said. ok ok lets see, so I wouldn't mind if they just filled up the 30L bag but kept the price the same, seems like that would be the easier thing to do. I agree about not wanting a bigger bag though, so just that little bit at the top, I don't know if thats gona be enough to fill the 30L material pot. if I had a old plastic FF bag laying around I would've checked as I have a couple bins of it recycled, can fill a bag to the brim then throw it all in a pot and see how much it will be. although, as you already know it will compact in the pot over time after many waterings.

watering also causes compaction, like our pots always seem to have less and less soil in the longer you been watering it down, so it can just aswell shrink the medium in size

I like the taste of the same size bag for cheaper flavour ...the bag I use now happens to be ff and I think important to note I am not moving to another brand because it will be cheaper only, it has to be the same quality too so the answer isn't just one or the other for me and I don't think for most of us, sorry we went off topic brother!

what about cubes? I don't mean we must measure the soil in cubic cm, I think in general a certain amount of soil is easier to guage by "the size" of it. like a certain size bag filled to the top will only be able to have that amount in, if you put wet soil dry soil heavy soil light soil, you fill it up and call it "a full bag of soil". because of the fact that we're dealing with soil we can't really call it Liter or Kilograms, because it's not always gona weigh the same.

hmmmm I have to say, I don't fully agree with that... I feel the importance of good soil trumps the importance of a good light, and we all know how heavy a kak light can impact a grow. now just imagine kak soil... last thing I wana save a few bucks on is soil. I would gladly rather cough up an extra R30 - R50 for something that'll completely flip my growing experience for the better. there are a lot of examples on this forum alone. such as the "promix" from builders warehouse in a recent thread. there has also been documented "420mix" soil grow that had to be exchanged for freedom farms because in fact a good price does not mean it's a good product. high pricing also doesn't equate to quality in the least, I had the "pleasure" of trying out some Just Cannabis soil when it was all the hype. Paid R200 a bag and it claims you can finish a whole grow with just water... A week in the soil and all I saw was toast. pricing is not a good guidance when looking at quality. and that's what you want, quality. It's gona be hard for a new brand to take my support away from Freedom Farms, because I feel the 3 most important things when buying soil is quality, reputability and consistency. Something I've only gotten true to form from Freefom Farms. For me to stop supporting FF and move over to something new, the new brand will have to provide a better grow experience than in FF for atleast 3 to 5 grows in a row. then they got my support. they can be a bit more expensive than FF too I'll still buy it, because it's an improvement over the already exsisting product. if you could get FF to just make their bags either bigger or cheaper that'll work too