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Hi guys. 
 

Hope your all well and staying warm. 
I was hoping someone could help with what may seem a simple question is actually probably an in depth topic about soil, coco and then organic or synthetic? Many opinions out there and very valid ones from like professors in soil biology and master growers. A lot of learning down this road. 
 

I’ve never used or grown in soil, for some reason the topic or understanding the bio life behind soil seems challenging, even choosing the correct soil or from who do you soil, just a few minutes of reading through soil and specialists topics on good soil and organic teas! It all sounds fantastic and I’m so for the organic way but I’m just not lus to learn it, it seems so much more complicated than my GHE nutrients and my coco perlite holstered with my PH and E.C. pen! Yes there are down side to both grow mediums and positives.  Dunno, am I missing out on something for a kak reason like I’m not lus!

 So I thought I’d go against my lazy self and start small, the idea and looking into this has already existed me, I look forward to learning and growing as a grower. And this is where I need to ask your guys help and options if you think this a good simple start for my first go at organic nutrients. I’ve heard and been told guys get great results with the following buuuut I’m sure there is more to it.  I’ll start with changing nutrients first and work to soil after a grow with organic nutrients I thought? Not that I’m aiming to be doing teas and putting my own soil mix together. Hectic! Anyway this is it, this is what I have......😀

freedom farm Formula One  only afternoon about 3weeks in veg (from seed, transplanted into freedom farm formula one after germination About 3 weeks after popping) there after 

Biobizz bio grow - high in veg Low in flowering 

Biobizz bio bloom high in flowering low in veg work the two nutrients chance according to growth stage.

so if someone out there is just brain farting on the couch like me and reading this, and has the energy to reply 👋🏻 dude. If there is anything I can tell you, please do ask, I’ll try give you what ever info you may need to better point out the way I should be going?   
Cheers guys! 

Stay blessed! 
 

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Isn't formula 1 coco with some amendments?
Not quite the same as their classic soil which is a bit closer to a living soil with microbes and such? I could be wrong though.

Curious as to what difference you'll notice, if any.

I personally would rather stick with coco, synthetic nutes and add things such as microbe inoculations (gotta ensure there is something in your medium for the microbes to breakdown though), mycorrhizal fungi, teas etc.

With coco being an inert medium, I believe the microbes won't care much for it, I have no way of proving this though. If one were to reuse coco from a grow, there'd be roots left in the coco still and I'd imagine that to suffice and not be a bad thing.

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Thanks PsyClown 

your 100% correct about the soil or rather coco perlite it’s the green bag. Your direction and approach make sense to me, staying with my GHE and just using their classic mix would be fine for now until I’ve done enough studying up on soil and maybe just do one plant in a separate grow and play with soils and nutrients. 
 

so I’m doing 5 plants currently, Humboldt auto Bubba Kush. 
So recon the freedom farm green bag premium classic would get me by for about two weeks into veg and then I would start adding my GHE line. Could you maybe give me the names of the added microbe and mycorrhizal fungi, teas would I add these with my GHE mix of course not the tea I would imagine that would be on watering days without GHE. 
thanks for the reply dude. Nice one. 
 

To be honest the main difference I wanted to see was in the labour and amount of water I need to do in coco, I love coco but it’s just tough if work and time ain’t always in your side. That and I like the idea of organic..... to a degree. 

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I was using Atami but 300 a bag I also ha e to look at the spend, so changing coco supplier to a local one is of course great that I it’s self might bring a change to my watering I dunno Atami is great coco been using that for the last year with only the 3 part GHE and calmag with molasses. I haven’t seen any issues but then again I’ve never add to that formula to notice a difference in the plants and labour. Your recipe or guide on what I could change up would be great. Mixing my nutrients is a process of watching my strains a starting low and working up from there 

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Hi and welcome
FF Classic and FF F1 both need to be fed nutrients, but Classic can go a few weeks for veg as you said. Tbh from the readings I have done it seems that microbes doesn't do well or die off when using synthetic nutes and espesially when in flower and EC running high, but also read that if you keep EC just at about 1 it can be done, I'm also new to living organic soils. We here to learn from each other

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23 hours ago, GGG said:

Hi and welcome
FF Classic and FF F1 both need to be fed nutrients, but Classic can go a few weeks for veg as you said. Tbh from the readings I have done it seems that microbes doesn't do well or die off when using synthetic nutes and espesially when in flower and EC running high, but also read that if you keep EC just at about 1 it can be done, I'm also new to living organic soils. We here to learn from each other

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My thing is, I wish there were a way for me / us to easily test this ourselves though.

We're simply going based on what others have said.

 

I am not saying its wrong or not possible, just wish we could verify this ourselves. I imagine one would need to send some medium off to a lab to be tested. Not too sure.

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