Naughty.Psychonaut

@rdc420 don't delete the thread man, we're all excited to see how this goes as you can see how much attention you already got here! a bunch of us are very interested in this like Evan said, at the end of the day it's a grow dairy and no matter what we call the plant or what people want others to be calling the plant, I am still excited to see what you do with them!!

skip to 4:20 that's really just the biggest coincidence. this video is titled Hydro vs Bio debate, but they end up talking about what we're talking about. the two modern kings of cannabis chatting it up.. Arjans words, not mine, "Real Sativa, I am talking about 15/16 weeks. Not the ones you get in America"

when the plant is big enough, think about cloning it, if it turns out to be some danky dank you can regrow it and those sure are some strong genetics

hopefully they send Tribaldy some free seeds to make up for the wait!!!

and then on top of saying he found a pure sativa, he says that there are auto traits in the plant.... cool....

Ok, cool cool, I am down to give the benefit of the doubt. I should really only be as adamant about my argument if I have analytical proof. Right now I am going off a hunch based on general consensus. the part that gets me is this - If it has ruderalis in it, it can't be pure Sativa. If it is 100% Sativa it has no Ruderalis in it. I am just having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that these genetics are so rare and special, yet it's available for anyone online. something in my gut tells me this is all marketing hype. If I had a dog in the show I'd be putting in a few good words aswell. I did, I read nothing about the matter, they just say "semi-automatic tendencies". that sounds like gibberish. Again, If it has ruderalis in it, it can't be pure Sativa. If it is 100% Sativa it has no Ruderalis in it. period. there is absolutely no data showing how a strain can be pure or semi auto. Also, the statement of 100% sativa is just a hot load of bullybeef anyway and I wont eat one bite of it. in fact this makes me more resistent to believe anything from that page. the ACE breeder clearly wants us to know where it was found and that he had to do extensive screening and searching for the pure Sativa. wana know why? because a little bit of background on cannabis will tell you that looking for pure Sativa/Indica/Ruderalis in any given gene pool right across the world is basically like looking for a needle in an ever expanding haystack, because things keep crossing with eachother and mutating. even the purest of the pure Sativas from a 100 years ago will have some Indica in it. you guys know about plant plasticity? phytomorphology? geological influence? for years and years and years, literally thousands and thousands of years cannabis has been breeding with itself in nature, since the oldest record of cannabis use in 2700BC it has been one of the most sacred plants that have been moved around with human intervention and had to change and change and adapt and adapt through literall thousands of years, then along comes a human in 2022 and within his one lifetime he finds the pure thing everyones been looking for?

by saying "semi-auto" you mean other people growing autos all have "pure autos". what does that mean? pure Ruderalis? I don't think anyone wants pure Ruderalis. all autos only carry a trait of Ruderalis crossed with other genetics. so technically, all "autos" are "semi-auto"

dude everything I said ties in together with itself, the plant isn't flowering sooner because of some genetic thing, it's conditional. how can you admit that you're repeating a rumour about plants taking longer inside and shorter outside, but then you go on to say that I am wrong for saying the plant is just flowering cause of conditions. you're contradicting yourself, that plant is just a normal plant reacting to its environment. at least I didn't have to say it!!! look, I didn't try to hurt your feelings, but look at it logically - what the hell is a semi-auto even? either it is auto or not. do you know how autos are made? I'll be nice, because I can see you haven't been around long, but really do some research before asking these things.... if you wana ask that to proove a point, at the very least you need to know there is valid information suppurting your side of the argument, but now that you threw that at me you gona have to indulge what I am about to throw at you. I, myself, had 3 different strains push flowers in November 2021. photoperiod plants I have grown indoors on previous runs. are they also now semi-auto, just cause they flowered early? no. so there you go for your first example. second - I am not gona waste peoples time by tagging them and having them come read through all this for nothing. So I will copy the link to a few threads, you can look through them, each will contain examples of people who had early flowers this year. From there it's on you to do your own research, because to you what should be most important is finding out the truth and not trying to sound cool. First - Photoperiod flowers in November 2021 Second - Photoperiod flowers December 2021 Third - Photoperiod flowers December 2021 Fourth - he grows a lot of plants, I am sure these are different ones, all flowering Fith - our guy Dave also grows a lot of plants, some of them true autos, but likely a bunch of photoperiods aswell Anyway, it's likely that there are a bunch more, but I am not going to bother with more threads. The whole forum is open for your browsing and you don't even have to research that far back as it is all based on recent events. Besides just the forum, in real life I know quite a few growers, we all had plants outdoors going into flower. one big time grower I know pushing his second outdoor harvest for the year. same like Bos in his one thread. to conclude, what do I believe is more likely - that you have something soooo rare and special that minimal people even know it exists, or that you're just having the same outdoor experience as the rest of us? I believe the latter.

Those plants are flowering, because of the same reason everyones outdoor cannabis is flowering at some random time this year.

The only information on Sativas taking longer to finish indoors than outdoors, that I could find, was that you can veg for as long as you want indoors as you control the light cycle and push it for longer than the plant would naturally outdoors following the seasons. I do however find more information supporting the stating that the more Sativa leaning the genes, the longer the plant will take to finish. I guess that statment comes from the fact that there are lists of traits that seperate and define the genetics and this happens to fall under what represents a part of a Sativa genetic. Then there's also a lot of reference to the idea that the more environmental fluctuations the longer any given plant will take to finish. Not only cannabis. What that means is that, because we control the environment when growing indoors (again, any plant) there should be less hiccups/hurdles that would cause the plant to finish earlier. No cloudy days, minimal obstructions throwing shade, minimal external factors that can cause stress such as heavy winds, extreme high/low RH, hot/dry winds suffocating the leaves, long perdiods of rain with high RH. All these things that are ever present when growing outdoors and cannot be controled will play part in extending the time the plant takes to finish.

yeah I guess then make fire under them, keep reaching out and make the situation public as it is your right to do so and tag them, hopefully they have common sense. hope you don't get swindled!!

you can keep the plants in veg outdoors, put floodlights up. I see this is slowly starting to become the new norm for outdoor growers everywhere.

I was also gona ask about the bark... The reason they're flowering now is beause the biodynamics, seasons and lunar cycle all being out of whack making plants do crazy things. Outdoor plants are heavily influenced by seasonal conditions and what we a humans call "seasons" have moved on, but the weather and conditions haven't changed as such, you can track this by keeping track of daylight hours in you area aswell as weather conditions. all these changes took place over the last few years, yet the moon still does what it always did, the calendar does what it always did, we call each month by it's name like we always did, but conditions change. the plant doesn't know what month it is, it just responds to conditions. so we can't expect plants to be growing like they should in January, just because it's January. that concept is a thing of the past. got a buddy in Stellenbosch pushing his second outdoor batch for the outdoor season. he took clones out Aug 2021 and finished them in Dec, put a new batch out in late Dec and will be finishing up next month. nothing extra, he's on a farm and his plants are dead on out in the open getting as much sun as possible. all photoperiods of different strains. all deep in flower. this is very new to me, never heard this before... I will be researching this.

3 weeks ago was 27 Dec. is that the time you placed the order? ordering anythiny anywhere online during this time of year can be a headache. did the website not say "orders for 2021 closed till January 2022" - that's usually the case with businesses that do deliveries - note that it could just be because they're only starting fall back into work this week? B&B has good rep, the time of year I think is the problem. I am waiting on shit I ordered in mid December, got nothing to do with cannabis, some clothes and other stuff been tracking my package online, it hasn't even left the warehouse, yet.

sjew!! fokken naaaas, boet!

I know my first issue was time. From growing one or two plants outdoor for a couple years I realised having one harvest each year of around 400g of midgrade was not satisfying my needs. got my first setup couple years ago, went into harvesting around 300-350g of higher grade stuff twice a year... seemed to be enough for like 2 years. had a few fluctuations still getting to know the ropes, ran out of weed many times, wasn't a big decision to get a second tent cause I always wanted to grow more than I could smoke. started growing more outdoor again, but focusing on indoor and as soon as the space, money and time was right I got the second setup for a perpetual grow and get 4 cycles a year. one harvest was just under 400g, but they're mostly in the area of 350g which I am happy with, but quality can always go up so constantly looking for that new new lol. finally not running out anymore, my biggest issue - solved

that's a good point, I once heard a guy saying "the amount of the plant you take away matters", so if you had a 2month vegging plant and it's growing vigorously and you cut half or more than half the biomass it will also stunt the plant for a week or so. I think what adds to the reason why it stunts the plant so much when topping at such a young age might be because the part you're taking away is like half the plants biomass. same with vice versa, when the plant is big and you just top a single node it almost doesn't seem to stunt the plant at all, the less you take away the less it stresses them.

hell yeah, that's the hot shit right there! if time is not a big issue you can go crazy with this

Yeah I have been using a lot of the kushmans chiropractics lately aswell, works well. if you don't mind me asking, is this just to reduce recovery time or would you say it's a do or die thing? if it's a matter of space sometimes you have to top low and I have topped right when the first set of 3 finger leaves show with no problem at all, they just take a few days longer to recover. you can make a bonsai out of a cannabis plant and top and train it however you like. our guy, righteoussower here has one plant in a huge open tent, he got space for days and don't have to shove a bunch of plants in next to eachother, so he can open that girl up and make her do all kinds of things in there to fill the space. kinda look at a big cannabis plant as a bonsai in a big pot that you never have to root trim. make a whole 1000 top sites off one stem. the lower he goes with that girl the wider he can make her and the more side shoots the more surface area covered when opened up.

Holy shit!

as for a diagram on where to top, I think first what you need to do is get some side branches by opening up the top of the plant. once your side branches shooting up wards, top every single on of them. like don't even leave one top sight unplucked. if the plant makes too many shoots you can clean the undercanopy by cutting away whats's too dense and not reaching top. but rather have too many top sights than too little. when it is too late you can't add any more tops, but you can always cut some away. and when you cut some away, you got cloning stock. win win

only a pleasure bro beans, that's what we all going for! I think you might be going for this .... look closely, this is just one plant... this is a guy on youtube, Mr.Canuk, completely blowing the whole game out the water. a beginner shouldn't expect results like this, but it can be something a beginner works towards. just to show you what can be done with a cannabis plant. cannabis plants are some of the most vetsatile plants out there, if they're healthy and growing along nicely you can bend, snap, twist, top and do whatever you want to them and they'll just bounce back and keep growing. whole mature plants can be harvested down to 1/4 of the biomass with just a few branches left over and be sent back into reveg. you can keep them in veg for however long you want as long as you maintain its health.

must be the auto/photo thing goes out the window when the whole undiluted nute thing came up as this is something you can do with neither of the two types of plants. I hope your friend is buying you some new seeds?? concidering you didn't tell him to give undiluted nutes, hopefully. so he needs to caugh it up. daaaaamn!!!

lol bro it's kinda obvious then that the seedlings wouldn't make it. sorry I just jumped into advice giving mode when I saw you lost the seedlings I thought it was to your own volition. yeah, don't feed undiluted nutes. on anything else that went down I can't be giving advice at all. about the humiduty, what is this foggyness in the photo here, just some smoke then or something? oh well, whatever it was, you seem to know what you should and shouldn't be doing and that everything would've went down A-OK if it wasn't for the undiluted nutes.

you getting great advice here brother just a from me, topping is a thing of preference. as long as you not cutting the very first apical bud above the cotyledon leaves - although you can do this, it will stunt the plant quite a bit - you'll be fine. either way, it is all about structure, space, what shape and how many top sights you wana create. also what time you got. in theory, as long as you don't cut below the first set of true leaves you can top whenever and whereever you like. except in flower it will just be a waste. I see you got one plant in a huge space there. if you got time you could literally top every single apical node there and end up with a table top canopy with a whoooole lot of tops. your limit is the walls of the tent. I always grow multiple different strains all at once so I can't expect a level canopy for shit, but what I do to help me is top every single dominant shoot and give the rest time to catch up. so I don't have a given time when to top. I top something somewhere every day. either top them or if the plant is already too dense in that area I soften the cambium and let the top lay in recovery for a day or two while the other tops catch up.