ORGANinc.

46 minutes ago, MrE said:

True true! I could have painted myself in a corner in the quest for my visual goal. Ya maybe I'll snip some of the thinner/weaker shoots coming up from the lower canopy, n make some room. Got a bit carried away

Na don’t stress, it will be more visible which way to proceed once the stretch happens, I think you still in a good place

On 4/8/2022 at 4:15 AM, Vivid Dreamer said:

Good day growmies. Hope that you guys are all doing great and in high spirits. 

I have a bit of a dilemma with conflicting information online and could really use some guidance. This is my second grow and one thing i want to be perfect is my wayering habits that will enable to build a solid root system, but still keeping my micro herd alive and kicking. 

Do you guys let the soil dry out completely between waterings(water again when the pot is very light) ? Or do you water before it reaches the point of being bone dry? 

I know that dry conditions will reduce the microbial poppulation in the soil. I need some help - i dont wanna kill what i worked so hard to build. 

Hello bud, so depending on your medium and the structure you have created, your medium will dry up or stay wet all hinged on above factors, also the size of your plant. 
 

letting you medium dry up completely in a living soil takes much longer than any other conventional method of growing I have found, due to the fact that living soils contain more organic matter than most soils. They are naturally better at keeping water in the system. Water logging living soil is also the easiest thing any grower can do and does because they are afraid of letting the soil dry out too much.

my advise is to stop worrying about under watering completely and every-time you want to water or not sure if you should, wait another day. Or get a moisture probe, even the lightest pots can still make that needle jump.

keeping living soil aerobic as best you can is very important.  

You gna have to be unforgiving with the pruining of that dqxslurri, the internodal spaces are none existent 

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Week 8

Ya I also thought 50g was a lot, but if you just growing your own strains and could enter what ever it is doin the rounds i'm sure you could put 50g together quite easily. 

Plants are in 2 weeks flower now, experiment plants upfront, control above and to the right. This experiment might finish outside.

3 minutes ago, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

if the bug barier doesn't catch enough dust particles, a pair of pantyhose will

Bru my propagation station needed a intake, and a filter of sorts. Those bathroom fans are 150mm, only 100mm ducting would fit through the Propogation tent holes. So I needed a reducer of sorts as well as a filter. Pantyhose check, plastic 2l pot, cut the bottom out with a scalpel and boooyaaa reducer check... When there's a will there a way. 

Air intake needs not much effort in purification if its a small scale grow. I have 100mm fan from H2gro, and I wrap a bug mesh over it so it doesn't suck in any undesirables, a more permanent and effective solution would be a standard carbon filter.

These HEPA filters are for GMP standards, so if you growing some home grown medical marijuana. BY all means    

1 hour ago, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

I like this! Exciting topic! Growing weed is no competition and we shouldn't create stress for eachother, however you all know I am guilty of this hahahah but for more important reasons and in the spirit of not wanting to waste money or space or time it's always been a good thing to look at every interaction as constructive rather than destructive and take notion in the fact that the very very very best grower in the world is literally trying to figure new and improved methods to better his growing all the time. that's what makes them the best, knowing there's always room for improvement and doing something about it!

I am showing a old friend of mine how to grow and he keeps showing and telling me about people that he knows who grow weed and how they did it and it always comes down to "who spent more money and who used more resources in comparison to who's grow performed the best in their respetive situations."  one guy filled the floor with pots and bought a kak load of expensive soil, didn't even have a full canopy. other guy mixed his own soil, had a couple 30L pots spaced out nicely in a smaller space, plants nicely trained and spread out over the foot print, couldn't see the floor through the canopy, yielded more weed in a smaller space with fewer resources in a shorter amount of time.

now the question I ask him, which of those two examples you wana follow?

My main focus was always max yield in the space I have. Good genetics comes after at least knowing how to grow first! I am using a 1m2 for flower space so I couldn't really make the veg space bigger than that, would be impractical, the reason I got the 1m2 is because when I first got it, that's all I has space for. Would have loved to flower 8 big plants at a time from day one, but didn't have the time, naturally I got the best I could work with at the time and pushed it.

I think a setup that can accommodate a perpetual cycle would be ideal, or a "conveyor belt system".
3 different spaces = Mother+Clone space, Veg space and Flower space.

With flower space being the main focus. If you can have 8 mature/flowering plants and have them as big as you can it would be ideal to get them as big as you can in the space that you have.

IMHO, a plant shouldn't be flowering in a pot smaller than 20L and not without a veg time for at the very least as long as the flowering period is or idealy twice as long. a plant needs to become a certain size before it can really fully express itself, but really just my opinion. no real merit to that statement, I just wouldn't do it. I feel I have never grown a small plant that has delivered the same results as the same plant grown out to full size, the bud never fully developes.

The minimum space to cover with 8 x 20L flowering plants, I would say, is a 1.2m2 flowering space. then the plants get squeezed in and they stay relatively small. again my opinion.

Let's say you have a 3m2 flower space or bigger, the rule stays the same - Only 8 flowering plants. All that needs to be done to fill the space is increase pot size. Keep the amount of pots at 8, but make them 60/80/100L pots. this will easily fill the space, if it's indoor even easier cause you can veg them how ever long you want.

If you have a smaller space than 1.2m2 I would flower less than 8 plants, because like you said, you could fill that 1.2m2 space with 4 plants in 20L pots. Just veg them a little longer. bigger pots will help too

You could do every thing in one room from clone to veg to flower, if you have the time. so really all the rest here is about saving time.

Veg space - the only way I see this is, however closer to the same size the veg and flower space is, the quicker your perpetual cycle will be, because this allows you to use all of the 8 to 12 weeks of flower to veg your veg space wall to wall, giving you an already filled flower room once the previous batch comes down. the bigger the difference in room sizes the longer the gap in over lap, and you might have to switch your flower room back to 18/6 sometimes for extra veg time to fill the bigger room. this is wasteful in my opinion.

Idealy one would like to keep both rooms on their set times, 18/6 and 12/12, and keep them there. but still make sure not to move the plants over till the space is filled.

Mother and clone space - this can take up quite some space, however you can do this outside and do not need the best lights and all that. you could also make clones and leave them in your veg room somewhere between pots or in the corner under the 18/6 light cycle.

once space is used properly and minimal time is wasted I can starts to focus on adding another flower space and later another veg space and staggering the harvesting every 4-6 weeks, first one room then 4-6 weeks later the other another 4-6 weeks later the first one again. remembering that 8 plants is the limit and I can just increase pot size and extend veg time to fill bigger space.

excited to see what others say?

Nice points, I have read and think I understand all your views which is good info, and valid stuff.

So if you talking perpetually, then there are other factors that come in as well, so veg to flower, with all considerations is where I’m thinking to have it solely based on performance in that space kind of. However, either way you look at it. There is more than likely a transplant that will happen, I’ve seen really good results transplanting into the bigger sizes from start, however I’m not feeding. I would ideally like veg and flower to be in the same place, which will definitely maximise probability of higher yields. 
 

Then have tents overlap in harvests, 

I do not think I've seen too many topics or conversations to this regard. Could be helpful to some. 

In my mind, 1m2 is almost the most ideal space for 4 plants, or even 1,2m2. The whole idea obviously when it comes to growing and being as efficient as possible is to fill the space per say. And this will give you the best result. Fill the canopy rather. Then many factor come into play. The power of your light(s). The coverage. The strain. Do you have your environment in check? all the rest... There are unlimited options when it comes to growing plants for a desired outcome and this all comes back to relevance in your current space, ours being South Africa. In the states, you see many people adhering to a plant count and making sure they are somewhat abiding by the amount of plants they may have. Not all cases are relevant to the topic and some people are doing what they have been doing and will not change until by means of force if that day ever comes or these matters are taken that seriously over there. I see our government are still serious about locking growers up all in the name of intimidation as these things go nowhere, based on the seriousness of the offence. 

This is all in the name of feasibility in our current situation with the unreasonable guidelines we have been given. 

So back to filling the space. We are allowed 8 flowering plants. I've seen some growers absolutely smash it out of the park with 8 plants. I don't think I remember there being anything said about how big the plants are allowed to be, but then again, time elapsed would balance things out quite a bit. For a bit of a conversation base or some back and forth. Lets look at a very specific example. and Give 3 scenarios for this set up and see what would prove to be the best result. Yes this is for growing the most possible cannabis, as we smoke a lot and there is only so many Gs you can harvest at one time. 

The tent size is 1,2m2 - 480W bar LED for best coverage.

Scenario #1 - 4 plants, each plant is in 20L pots (organic or salt nutrient)

Scenario #2 - 9 plants, each plant in 10L pots (organic or salt nutrient)

Scenario #3 - 4 plants, each in 40L pots (organic or salt nutrient) 

There is no right answer, there is however 1 illegal one (not yet actually), but I cant imagine 8 plants making a perfect square. These are the types of things I like to think about. More plants obviously mean quicker cycles and more harvests, significantly easier to fill the space. 

Growing few big plants can prove time consuming, but rewarding at the end of the day. But do you actually fill the place, more importantly, is your concentration of buds the same if were grown sea of green, also quality of bud. All these pros and cons, if anybody would like to add in any additional information, please do. 

There is not right or wrong answer once again, this is all just for conversation. I've seen 20 x 10l pots in 1,2m2, and honestly the thought of that management makes me sick, with my style of growing. But I don't think you would be disappointed at the end, given everything goes smoothly.

If you have some scenarios that you think could be absolute winners, lets hear them.

Mid week update - can’t wait for the gender reveal party , still waiting. 

 

Week 7, the sherbet crasher has definitely been in the tent way too long, It should have been cut down long ago. However the plants are nearing the end so just going to wait a few more weeks. 
 

As for the others, I cannot wait for the rerun.

And then this was actually about the soil recipe, I’m happy with the recipe, just would possibly have done a few things differently. This is just something I’m pondering as some plants were happy in the soil and others not so much, some neither here nor there. 

once the run is complete, I will decide weather I will be adding in optional recipes similar to this one, but just more forgiving. 

Quick update, every time I water the other plants, these get 1/4 dose of bloom nutes. They seem to be responding well, will move to half dose at 3 weeks 

6 minutes ago, PsyCLown said:

Yikes, doesn't sound great.
Luckily the burn on the leaves is minor or barely anything for most plants.

Still super excited for this harvest though.

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yeah lol, I get quite annoyed when shit like this happens, and I certainly brought these fuckers in from a friend of mine who gave me a cutting of CREPES from Lit farms, this I still cant guarantee, but those bugs were on it when it arrived. Now they wrecking the flowering plants. They will have to run their course until I harvest, which I too am still excited for. 

15 hours ago, PsyCLown said:

Yeah, I like to run a plant twice before discarding it although some aren't even worth running again.
I'll run the gg Mints once more at least. Will try with some fresh coco out the bag on the gg Mints next time around.


There is also a bit of burn on the leaves from a foliar I did with lights on... Because time was an issue.

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Ya don't stress. my plants are not looking the best, got some lekke bugs fucking up my run at the moment. Some plants play host at the moment and now its really getting out of control. anyways. 

5 minutes ago, Bay Seeds said:

 

Two weeks waiting for a local order is not cool. Say what you want about biltongnbudz but that never happens with bnb. Those office girls are on it 247. 

Well that’s what happens when you use logic and think 2 steps ahead. 
 

Just think for a minute, if “I” continually don’t honour what I’ve agreed to doing, people are going to sooner or later think I’m a doos.

2 hours ago, PsyCLown said:

So a quick update, been quite busy and weekends have been busy too.

So here is a pic of the plants in the smaller pots - the experiment part.

 

Amongst them, towards the rear is the Platinum Punch - as you can see she is fast when it comes to flowering.

 

Also there is the Bananium:

 

 

Then moving on to some of the seeds, we have the Critical Banana. Frost is not going to be on the same level as the above 2 In House Genetics strains however frost is there and the she seems to stack quite nicely. A close up of each pheno and then a pic of the one to show her stacking.

 

Then last but not least I snapped some pics of the GG Wedding Mints which at this point I am rather disappointed by.

Very leafy and tiny buds...  Hoping she packs on some weight and continues to do so over the next few weeks before harvest.

 

 

 

I know the coco is not 100% and I suspect EC has built up in it, taking measures to avoid this with the next grow. Wondering and hoping the GG Wedding Mints is just sensitive to this and that is the cause for her poor performance (so far), however I somehow doubt it.

Not the end of the world, maybe a rerun will prove for better results as you say, but other plants looking fire! my gg#4 is looking quite promising I’m happy to confess, nice terps too. 

19 hours ago, Totemic said:

Well my whole summer drop is also with him... He never listed them, and summer is over. So it's like that drop never happened. No replies to me since end of January. I have seeds I need to send him, but is there a him to send them too? So I've just kept them in my vault. 

Either way, head down and hard at work on my spring drop that I'll be dropping personally this time round. Got a lekker winter test season up with hopefully some nice winter fade for the photoshoots

Haha once a cannabist, always a cannabist

Shalom gardeners

Week 1 done.

happy weekend

First half of week 1 flower done. 
 

First feed happened Monday the 21st, .025ml of Floro coco bloom per Litre of water. 
 

First 1/2 of week 1 flower done 

Week 6 got my eye on my favourites. The QK is the most pungent in the tent, the animal cookies smells unpleasant, the GG is more along the lines of sour gas and tiny hints if sweet, sherb crasher really smells like nothing at all.

And that Dark green looks very similar to the dark green just before yellow.

I think it is quite dark green but everything will be okay once holding back on the nutes. All plants are different. If she is packing on some flower, you know the plant is in good health.