Bos

Aweh Gromies

As some may know I'm a organic outdoor grower, but got presented with a situation that required out the box thinking real fast. We got gifted 12 Blue Cheese(Exodus cheese x Blueberry)clones very late in the outdoor growing season. Hence the post under the indoor LED section. They need to be vegged to decent size before flowering them outside. They were small...no sorry, miniature when we recieved them(2-5cm tall), thats smaller than any clone I ever cut myself.

They were barely rooted in their small coco plugs, they went into my diy clone box under 48w smd leds (warm and cool) running at 18/6 for 1x week before being transferred to 250ml solo cups with my organic soil, all had roots poking out then. There they recieved 200ųmol/m2sec, which seemed adaquate for rooting clones as per online ref. They responded very well, showing positive new leaf growth. Gave me enough time to throw together a makeshift outdoor enclosure, this makeshift 2m x 2m x 1.5m high outdoor/indoor setup with a ACDC 100w led flood and 2x50w growlights and a 40w positive intake fan for airflow and ventilation. (1x Fl-100-CW + 2x 50w blurples)

They are now recieving 300ųmol/m2sec with the light fixture at 50cm above the tops just to adapt for a few days, then I'm lowering the lights. Plan is to veg the girls to a stage where they can be flowered outside. 

The light fixture measures 650ųmol/m2sec at 30cm from the canopy. Plan is to veg them to approx 30-40cm tall with maybe 1x topping before placing the outside to flower. They will be repotted to 9lt bags and eventually transplanted to 25lt growbags(2 or 3 best may get 75lt tubs) The 'guerilla' light fixture measured between 600-700ųmol/m2sec in the centre and approx 400-500 around the  perimeter of 1m2. Midday temps were at 32deg C and 50-60% RH.

My question....?

Am I on the right track, am I missing something and will this be enough to get them to the point where they can be flowered outside or will we need more light? 

Having a look at the seedling I suspect it may be Black sooty mold. Hows the airflow/ventilation?

Agree with @Totemic about the white spots on the leaves, that type of damage seems like thrips. 

But the leaves on the larger plant are showing another issue, almost looks like a deficiency or lockout.

The curling could be overwatering but that may be the tea flush.

Google suggests common 'tobacco budworm' they appear in many different colours and are the progeny of a moth.

Cant remember the exact price, about 150.

You use a few grams per application so it lasts a long time. Best stored in a cool dark place or in the fridge.

4 hours ago, EvenSteven said:

Shot @Bos rather safe than sorry. Any experience with fans, should a cheapie like this one be okay being left on 24/7 ?

That will work, just test it first if you can as not all fans are created equal.

We had a 175 china mall cheapy in there but the blades deformed to such an extent that it didnt move any air, had to reshape the blades with heat to make it work, but it ran well for 3mnths 24/7 and still running.

Found a special and upgraded to this steel blade fan for 300, but our space is double the volume.

Aweh @EvenSteven

Rather think you should get a larger fan or fans, depending on your temps and RH. Our polythene tunnel is 6x3 and 2.4 high, we've added in shade net doors at both ends to help airflow and keep nasties out, but it wasnt enough. Lost too much bud last year and spidermite love the lack of ventilation. We added an upright 45cm steel oscilating fan to pull fresh air in and improve airflow inside. You could place a fan at each door, 1x pulling air in and 1x pushing air out.

The improvement is noticible, spidermite issues are much better and we managed good yields with only small losses to rot. 

@Wulf

With worms you have to be vigilant. They like to hide in the buds and hollow them out from the inside. You just see the bud wilting all of a sudden and their poop is germinating grounds for budrot. If you can, open the buds up and check inside, hopefully the neem/pyrol spraydown got them all. (Hate cutting out buds cause of worms or rot.)

The Margaret R worm stuff works for me, my girls will be getting a routine  spraydown tomorrow. 

Aweh @Brain

Welcome to the forum, best place to ask questions and learn. Seems you allready got some greenfingers there, nice yield.

Good advice in the above posts, bit late in the season now for planting photo periods. You could go the autoflower route if you want to start now, but as mentioned they can be finicky.

Your soil doesnt look bad at all. (We have pure sand here on the northcoast). For growing cannabis it would benefit from some aeration and more organics as mentioned. You could for example add coco, perlite and wormcastings and build your own soil or you can buy prepackaged soil such as Freedom farms.

You say you have space, why not start a compost pile for next year, then all your plants will benefit.

A greenhouse or nethouse will help a lot with weather, wind and vegetarian pests of which there are many to contend with. Make sure about location!

We have a 18m2 tunnel where our flowering plants finish up to avoid weather,  butterflies, worms and hoppers, cause you cant spray much on your plants while they are in flower.

Enjoy the journey.

Mararet Roberts also has a product for worms. Contains the bacteria Bauvaria Baussinia that stops the worms digestive system, they basically die from hunger, but it does take a day or 2 to start working. Its a granulated powder that contains the bacteria, you mix with water and apply with a garden pump sprayer.

I have used it with good success and its now part of my IPM as it can be sprayed dirimg flower.

Evening fellow florists

Just a wee bit of an update. Some good some bad....

Most of the country had some bad weather and we were no exception, luckily our greenhouse remained grounded, but 2 of the girls sustained some damage. Luckily broken branches can be mended.

Very happy with the growth on the Purple Pineapple Express clone, she is a bit bushy and branchy but another defol will sort that.

The Purple Stiltons and Fruitpunches are doing great, the 2 in the greenhouse are putting on weight and getting nice and frosty. Their counterparts outside are a bit slower going into full flower, which suits us fine as we can stagger the trimming.

One of the Bubblegum girls got damaged in the hectic weather and split her stem quite badly. Looks as if she'll recover as both have gone into preflower.

The plants in material bags is our R&D dept. Have to do pheno hunting of course. Mixed batch of WWxCheese, Swazi, DBN, Pineapple Skunk and an overtly Peppery indica.

Sticking to the biobizz range nute wize, alternating with banana, apple and comfrey smoothies, AACT and SST.

Grasshopper types are difficult cause you dont really want to spray any insecticide on a plant you will be consuming later.

Not sure if neem or pyrol might work as a deterrant. Other than building a nethouse or tunnel to keep them out, otherwise daily inspection does work. 

Glass is the way to go. Your worst enemy here is light/UV and fluctuating temps and high RH.

Got a few jars stashed in a dark cupboard that was chosen because the temps and RH fluctuate the least. Some jars going on 10mnths now, some strains develop more flavour and smoothness with a longer cure.

Also did a bit of harvesting of another kind.

Been dabbling in chilli sauces, smokey jalapeno and cayenne and very soon a batch of hot habanero. 

The last of our tomatoe harvest, getting too hot on the north coast for them now.

Sweetest sweet potatoes we ever tasted, grew in 50/50 canabis soil and sand mix in a 75lt tub.

Looking verrry nice.

You have to dig Old School...

With those being auto's I doubt it will be a problem. They should anycase still be recieving indirect light on the verandah.

Too much direct sunlight during flowering may affect/reduce the quality of the buds' terpene profile as some terpenes are more sensitive to sunlight than others.

As an experiment some of our plants(mostly photos)are moved to a shadier spot during the last week or 2 of flowering to try and preserve/enhance the terpenes/flavour quality of the bud. 

Aweh. This is an awesome forum, lots of knowlegeble growers here willing to help out and give advice.

Enjoy the forum.

And pls do a grow report.

8 hours ago, Pants said:

And the pink oysters are fruiting




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Aweh @Pants

Looking yummy.

Interested in edible shrooms. Would you mind sharing the details for those pink oysters pls? Welcome to pm me.

Cheers.

It needs to be considered that some strains are just more susceptable to mildew. Sometimes all it takes is a few days with high RH and boom....

While you follow your plan of action or treatment, you could cut a few 'clean' clones(just in case), it would be faster than starting from seed again.

We've been growing outdoors in the woolies bags for a couple of years now. At approx 20-25lt they are a good size too and much more durable than other 'carrier' options.

But they remain a budget alternative and are not UV resistant. They become weak and tear easily after about 2 years in the sun outdoors. So they are not what you'd call robust, if you are going to move your plants around a lot I would rather suggest proper material bags.

5 minutes ago, Stinger96 said:

Howzit bud.. Is your tunnel secured..? Maybe put some extra tent ropes or straps across.. Rather safe than sorry..

Thats exactly what was done, doubled up on the ropes securing the tunnel.

From the N and E were ok, but most exposure to the weather is from the S and W. 

So far so good.

Aweh greenfingers

Ladies are doing well, Fruitpunch and Purple Stilton started preflower. Bubblegums getting ready and pushing spires. 

Eloise moved in last night, spent most of yesterday securing our grow against the incoming weather, been raining solid but the wind has behaved mostly. Not keen on 100km/h gusts.

Water levels were getting low but in 12hrs we've maxed our rainwater capacity of 6500lts. 

Thanks Mother nature

Cheers

Used to ride technical and hard enduro. 

Traded 2 wheels for 4....x4, but that mostly doesnt count haha....except when the water fills the footwells. 

Enjoying some Bubblegum sativa, Fruitpunch f3 and a dash of Purple Stilton during the daytime. Waiting for the Purple Pineapple to finish curing....

Variety is the spice...