Totemic

Either syringes or plastic measuring cups. I have a small 100ml one I use

8 hours ago, CoolJ said:

So my worst fears were confirmed! 

All the nutrients and electricity wasted on these herms! 

It seems a lot of In-house gear has taken this downturn and throwing nanners across a few lines...

Congratulations to all the winners. Been great following along on your grows 

I'm not sure. Those seeds were harvested in 2020 so are pretty fresh...

12 hours ago, PapaSpliff said:

Good day guys. 

I was really excited to start my grow this season. 12 plants were going to be too many for me to grow, so I gave 6 seeds to a buddy of mine to try out.

It's been just over 2 weeks since I dropped them into the soil. None of my seeds took off and only 1 of my buddies.

Think I'm gonna need to buy another pack. @Totemic Do you have any more of the mix pack available?

Strange that non of them popped. Could you provide me with more detail. What strains, from whom you purchased, if not from 420sa.

There are however non of those specific batch seeds, but I could get a few others off to you in a bit. 

I suppose it all depends on what price motherland supplied to Bnb. At least 100% markup is pretty much standard for a retail environment though. 

Seed prices are always a hot topic. On the one hand we are already at a loss with the value of our Rand, and we don't want to pay a lot for seeds. Current retail market fem seeds go for between R50-R100 on average. 

But this whole seed market is going to change into something else fast. It's no longer just a few of us risking a lot to be breeding for the growers. With decriminalization that risk has greatly reduced. 

Then Covid happened and lock down 1.0 saw us cut off from international seed sources, and even to an extent domestically. 

These two events drove many growers locally to take their growing to the next step. There are now many, many breeders that have come on to the scene. 

It's an exciting time for us to have the opportunity to reintegtate our society with cannabis. Who knows how far it's going to go... 

So this thread also got away from me, but never the less closing it off. 

6 phenos and 6 different directions this line will take going forward. 

There is enough seed from this run for me to continue hunting, and I will make a few available to testers. 

Awesome comeback man. You really turned those plants around for a decent finish

5 minutes ago, GGG said:

That move was after the cut of date , I just kept the diary going.
All good @420 , no worries

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I also thought you moved them out after the 7th...

2 hours ago, Bay Seeds said:

If i keep vegging her till the autos are done i could start to reverse her and cross her with herself and darkstar, miracle alien cookies, french macaron, papaya... 

If it was up to me i would keep breeding with males but the market wants fems

I know right. I just love my regulars, and prefer to breed with them. I'm not a fan of fems, but as you say, keeping the wheel turning means working fems 

55 minutes ago, Bay Seeds said:

They lose the trait as soon as you cross them with another plant. Doing S1 maby

But you will find variations of the trait expressing in the F2 and F3s that may be worth exploring

Loving seeing this expression among the fems. It gives me a lot of hope for finding a few of these in the f2s, which is part of my goals with the cross. Getting a frostier, and tamer(less foxtailing) CNL expression. 

Still this pheno looks like chunky hard nugs... 

3 days before the spring equinox it seems like a good time to get my season started. 

I've gone right back in the archives here and have 14 F2 CNL, and 28 F3 CNL in for this mini hunt. 

Awesome man. If you don't have any of the tortoni regs, let me know. The regs do perform better, and have a fuller, sweeter expression, with more frost, and yield. 

Fems are great, but they also aren't. There is just something a male adds that a reversed female just can't give. 

These girls are going on. 3 more indica dominant, and 3 more on the sativa side

Got some leaf bud action on the one pheno

Those chocolate Gelato fems are pretty balanced, but still pulls more to indica side. They tend to be compact and bushy, and do not require very heavy feeding.

3 minutes ago, Golden-Goose said:

I'm confused... are you saying you're one of the big boys in the game I was referring to, or are you suggesting those guys do what you do?

Do you see the commercial machine I'm talking about, or have you allowed your personal feelings to get in the way of seeing the forest for the trees?

Also, sharing and selling is not quite the same thing man. So, do you share your gear that didn't quite hit the mark or do you sell it? If you sell it, more power to you, but do you then sell it for less than a strain you've worked for 2 years? You obviously have a routine that works for you, and helps you get the results you are looking for. Which is exactly the opposite of what I'm bitching about.

What is the point of breeding if you're not at least going to attempt to create something that's a little special or unique, or maybe you have some other agenda like the preservation of an older line. If you're not doing this to the best of your abilities, then all you're doing is dumping shit on to the market to make money. This is not aimed at you, so don't get worked up by that question/statement.

You're going to have a hard time convincing me that the big brands have any other goal than mass production and building their brands into the powerhouses you see today.

I sound like a hater, but remember how this kicked off. Old vs New. Without the old there is no new. Scratch under the surface of cookies and what do you get? What amazes me is how cookies spawned an empire. I'm a seed junky and love trying new stuff. I have yet to find a cookies variety from seed that is good enough to last more than 3 rounds in my room. That is my honest, personal opinion.

We all want to succeed, but success brings it's own problems. Can you honestly tell me that if you blew up worldwide that you would still be able to maintain the standard you do now? Or do you think maybe shit would be outsourced and automated to within an inch of it's life, while massive amounts of effort and funds get channeled into creating a fire breathing monster brand with a life of it's own.

Me? One of the big boys... Heavens no. I'm a hobby breeder man, but my efforts have created a table that made 7 figures over the last year down my distribution line with 45000 seeds distributed. So does this make me part of this commercial machine? Does this make my efforts financially driven? Does this mean I have changed the way I approach my breeding over the last decade? 

I couldn't tell you how any of those real big guys run their breeding programs, nor their primary motivation. 

My primary motivation has always been driven by a deep relationship with the plant, and sharing that.

You may see totemic as just one of the brands, and while I have chosen a brand to engage the public, totemic is still rooted in the activism to free the plant. 

But anyway, I do get where you are coming from, no offense taken at all

I read this article yesterday and was stumped at the backlash this poor oke is receiving. Life is heading back in a direction where more of us need to be doing what he is doing instead of tending to a non edible lawn. 

17 minutes ago, Golden-Goose said:

But that's just the thing... how much selective breeding is actually happening when we talk about the big boys in the game? If I have a stud, and then hit every single elite cookie clone I have with the pollen. Give each strain a cool name and slap some high end packaging on it, what have I actually done? Have I bred something for a desired taste, or maybe a certain type of high? Of course not.

As a breeder, taking a stud and crossing it into x, y, z different cookies lines, or tangie lines or whatever lines are in focus at that time, I'm testing that male to see with which of those related lines are going to pair up the best with that male. Assuming that this means a breeder is not selecting, is naive. This is the very art of selecting.

Not all those lines may be worked further, maybe only one, but there is no reason why the other lines can't or shouldn't be shared. 

A solid, realistic example is what I did last year with my chocolate Gelato line, by crossing it into 4 other lines. They all came out great, but the Slurricane cut that made the Tortoni line, was the best match of that run. Why, because after working with the cut for over a year, I've noticed that the terpene profile is easily manipulated, and the gelato profile has dominated as I wanted, while most of the great slurri traits have remained. Tortoni is the line I'm working further. The same holds true for the C99 I crossed into the same slurri cut... The terpene profile is exactly what I've wanted, on a Slurricane body. 

I've given the plant another chance at evolving. 

So what have I actually done... Thats breeding man. 

7 minutes ago, PsyCLown said:

Heck even @Totemic does a bit of pollen chucking at times to get new strains out. Breeding and not releasing F1's and waiting until they are bred further is a very time consuming process. I feel a breeder does not necessarily have a choice if they want to get some of the newer strains into their mixes in a timely manner.

Is there anything wrong with pollen chucking? Well, this is perhaps another topic on it's own but it has its appeal and uses for both breeders and growers.

As a grower I do not really want to see this amazing strain and not be able to buy it for a couple of months, more realistically years.

Man this is the thing. What is a pollen chuck...? You could say I pollen chuck every year. Just because I spend my time selecting my males out of the lot I grow, does that mean it's not a pollen chuck?  It's experimental for me, and I create plenty of new F1s every year, trying at best to improve the next generation in one way or another depending on the traits I'd like to slam together. Sometimes it works out well. Sometimes it doesn't. 

But I also work my lines further, which is not the case with many new aspiring breeders. Im also growing out all the cuts you guys are from Inhouse, ethos, and a few others, crossing in some of my other lines to add a bit of variation in my populations to pheno hunt.

The industry is taking shape fast, and with the sheer variety of strains out there, be it a landrace, a hybrid, or a polyhybrid, at F1 or at F4, does it really matter if the result is a successful harvest of some dank? 

4 minutes ago, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

hahah this "looking for those old school strains" is a never ending thing in this cannabis community, and I really can't wrap my head around it. SO MANY factors come into play. everything changes. even the nature of things change when given enough time and this is a good thing, it's growth, we need to grow and allow things and ourselves to change.

the big deal when it comes to looking for a certain strain. you have to know what you looking for hey golden key

this is a big contribution to my notion that many classic strains people are looking for are gone, because people don't even really know what exactly they looking for. then they find something with that name, make a purchase and the best among the batch will be labled "the real deal" when in reality the closest you will get is just something slightly similar. this is causing further confusion and people who go around claiming they have the real deal because it's got the same name is really shouldn't be doing that.

I see labling a strain with a old school name as a marketing tactic used because of the hype around old school strains. there was a video posted on here not too long ago explaining genetic plasticity, going deep into physiological morphology based on response to unique environments and human intervention. saying you're hunting a old school strain and expecting it to be like the "real deal from the 70's" is like saying you looking for an ancestor of yours that looks, speaks, acts, smells, has the same blood type and exact same evrything as you. which is just a wild thing to say.......... 

I would love to know from some of these old school hunters on the forum, is the weed of today not good enough for you or what's the reason for clinging to the past? I am willing to bet that the strains you guys are looking for, or shall I rather say the "profiles" you guys are looking for are right under your noses, it's just got a new name... 

Is it just the name you guys are looking for and the ability to say "hey mate, I got a jar of the real deal old school original shit from the 70's". or are you guys for real hunting those strains? cz you gotta be a real big time grower to be doing a real hunt like that. I am sure most of you guys are familiar with Arjan Roskam and the strainhunter show? You can't just grow 100 plants in your back yard and call it a strain hunt. You'll need to be able to have a grow setup in every second corner of the world and I mean mountain side grows of a couple acres, you have to be able to travel the world and do insane amounts of research to be doing a hunt like that....

otherwise you're just looking for a strain with a old school name and of that there is a litteral TON out there. every seed bank offers some or other "original".

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Yeah man, couldn't agree more. Cannabis has evolved gloriously in the last 30 odd years, and current expressions far outperform those old landraces. 

Besides all the pressure from prohibition, populations of landrace cannabis will have gone through many many generations of genetic drift that will have completely changed them. 

It's a longish video so I'll see where I can fit it in, but yeah I don't refer to males in their entirety as dominant. I refer to dominant and recessive traits.

I don't agree that early males are hermies or generally hermies even. That statement just isn't scientific enough. 

Hybrid vigor also does not suppress hermie nature.  Activated and deactivated alleles just don't work that way. It's either recessive(one copy of the allele, activated, but not expressed), dominant(both alleles activated, and thus expressed), or entirely switched off.

As for recessive traits.... It is not only special males that have recessives. All males have recessives, and most males will interact positively on females while others will produce ditch weed. 

Outdoors plants rarely show hermie traits, where if you take that same plant indoors, the hermie nature expresses easily. 

Couldn't be longer than 2 more weeks... Could it

No need to retract... Just 'dominant' on its own as an adjective with reference to breeding could be easily misunderstood without more context

10 minutes ago, Weskush said:

Wysheid #3: When breeding, don't pollinate with dominant male plants (according to the late, Subcool).

See my link on breeding for more info

Define dominant... 

When I choose males the following traits drive my decision making

Structure, branch strength, vigor, leaf to flower ratio, trichome dense, smelly males, flower density, pollen production, resistance to pests and PM... 

All of which can be considered dominant.