The_StonedTrooper

Ummm, yeah baby

Should I take part

OSG Cheese 

JagerPunch 

Slurricane 

Sugarpunch 

OSG Cheese 

PBB

JagerPunch 

Slurricane 

I say the same, and fully agree, you can mess up the whole grow, months worth of work, by drying it wrong.

Slow and low, the best way, 2 weeks minimum at 18deg or lower

9 minutes ago, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

yeah like a 30L bag is our "general measurement" and is more accurate than saying 30kg bag like Psy said. 

 

ok ok lets see, so I wouldn't mind if they just filled up the 30L bag but kept the price the same, seems like that would be the easier thing to do. I agree about not wanting a bigger bag though, so just that little bit at the top, I don't know if thats gona be enough to fill the 30L material pot. if I had a old plastic FF bag laying around I would've checked as I have a couple bins of it recycled, can fill a bag to the brim then throw it all in a pot and see how much it will be. although, as you already know it will compact in the pot over time after many waterings. 

Also very hard to check by filling a 30L empty bag, as I did this and came out with enough soil to fill up an actual liquid volume 45L tote to almost full, so you can squeeze way more than what is in there already from factory. 

1 hour ago, PsyCLown said:

I guess as a soil absorbs water, it expands in size and therefore in liters.

This is slightly true, but also not, as you know when you water it compacts it too.

1 hour ago, PsyCLown said:

Like coco, you can purchase a 5KG brick and it is small in size but then expands to 50L+ when added to water.

Unfortunately that has been compressed, and is a different matter all together,

Most soils, when wet, will pull / pool together and look less, as there is less air in there now, my understanding. 

1 hour ago, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

I like the taste of the same size bag for cheaper flavour

...the bag I use now happens to be ff and I think important to note I am not moving to another brand because it will be cheaper only, it has to be the same quality too  

so the answer isn't just one or the other for me and I don't think for most of us, sorry we went off topic brother! 

Yeah, exactly, like your favorite, FF telling you, we can give you the same amount, for less at X, or a little more for the same price?

1 hour ago, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

because of the fact that we're dealing with soil we can't really call it Liter

Agreed, but you can call a Litre a size, just the same as a cube, wet or dry.

I'm trying to make sense if you will, of how a Litre can be anything less than a Litre,

Like saying a Kg of Sand is different to feathers, when the only thing that changes is the size, not weight. 

But soil, can be less than a Litre, but still be a L, and weight less than 1 L

What standard does one use?

3 minutes ago, CreX said:

each blend of soil will have an average weight per ton/kg.

water is 1kg per 1l , and soil is nowhere that heavy.... so for soils with a coco blend, i would say less than 500g per l isnt too far off

Some bags have more weight and yet they the same volume out, which is why ask, to understand and not be funny or with intent 

8 minutes ago, CreX said:

personally, i go where its cheapest and deal with the results.

i started with 5 or so bricks of coco, cost me practically nothing, and slowly started adding Additives to it, and now i have a sweet blend of coco that shines every time.

 

@The_StonedTrooper i understand your question, but fail to see its practicality if there is no brand or product to apply it to. i personally dont use fabric pots, but 30l is not  standard size pot for most people.

so if you asked me about a 20l fabric pot, i would tell you that i would much rather buy a 20l bag over a 30l bag, and id go for a 40l bag over 2x 30l bags

still not sure about price question if there is no product to link it to tho.

 

I'm trying to understand if people would prefer more in a bag, to not have to purchase 3x bags of soil to comfortably fill up x2 of some branded 30L fabric pots. 

Or happy to have the same size, and then obviously the cost wouldnt be as much as the 40L version as it's less.

5 minutes ago, CreX said:

like most things that are "Dry packaged", it is more on weight than it is on volume

Correct, then if I may out understand, how much, weight does 30L soil total?

This is the question, as a 25L bucket is knee high, and a 30L pot is half the bucket, and a 30L soil of anywhere, doesn't reach the top of most bags,

Just now, Ill_Evan said:

This  my biggest expense now between grows is the medium I choose to buy.

One thing to note in general though, if a bag says 30L it's probably closer to like 25L. So if you're looking to fill 4 x 15L pots you would realistically need 3 x 30L and not 2 bags. So I voted to get same amount in the bag for cheaper, because I also don't want to lug around anything bigger than the 30L bags anyways! 

Thank you for you honest opinion 

Thank you, great feedback on FF.

I think its slightly off topic, and wasnt asking about soil brands, or types, or who's bag is best or bigger 

Was only wondering, if you would prefer more at the same cost in the bag, or the same amount for less, which ever your flavor or taste. 

Thank you family for the information so far, it already shows me that a market, would prefer to pay less, and keep the same size, than get more for the same price, even if the rand per Litre stayed the same.

1 minute ago, Weskush said:

Howzit bru. As much as i would like to support our fellow entrepreneurs, price will always be the deciding factor in determining which brand i would buy. Value for money is where it's at. 

True, and 100 percent agree

4 minutes ago, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

 

sorry if I am not undersranding correctly, but you asking if we would like the current size bags we getting all over the show to be cheaper or to make bigger bags with more soil in that'll cost the same as the current bag size? 

That's right, yes.

Good day Family, 

Out of curiosity, when buying soil, which would you prefer...

1. Enough soil in the bag to fill a 30L fabric pot

2. The same amount in the bag, as everyone, but for cheaper

Thank you taking the time, and think I know the outcome, but still curious. 

1 hour ago, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

learnt the hard way too with my previous grow!

where does that notion "it's hard to over do it with organics" even come from? 

Sometimes less is more,

You have 1 Organic, but 2 different forms in my opinion. 

1, being Gypsum and Rock Dust and others.

2, nutrients with root ready organics, that have been through the Microbe stage and ready to be consumed by the plant. 

You can over do the number 2 definitely and not so number 1, as this needs to be made ready to the root first. 

1 hour ago, PsyCLown said:

Probably the companies selling their organic stuff.

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And this

Just now, John Stonedwell said:

Yeah upon reflection you were spot on with the too much N observation so I had to shout out  this time round dialed it down and it seems to work proper thus far 

I do the best I can, and if i managed to help anyone, I am super happy, thank you.

Let's go

Thank you for the mention, 

You got a sick line up there brother, and going to rock this grow.

Cheese is the smaller, and they are swopped around. The Cheese, has more of an indica size and shape.

6 hours ago, Golden-Goose said:

NikNak or Cheese Curls is a fucken winner! That is the smell. I've only ever smoked one cheese that had that salty cheese curls thing going on. Awesome!

Yeah, in all honesty, the one we took in the car to my partner to flower, stank the car out of Cheese Naks, definitely the salt vibe here. 

I think the 2 Cheese and Baklava are mixed up, but will confirm. 

The Cheese I have in my tent, has a big Nik Nak smell already when in week 2.

My parter had C19 so wasnt able to see them or smell them myself, and ge cant smell from C19. Haha

Gorilla Zkittlez 

OSG Cheese 

Baklava 

Nice brother, you have a decent mix there!

You have a lot of Vermiculite there, and a little coco, is that right?

Asking only, to understand and or help if possible,