Za Weed Lover

Hi 

Start of week 3 of flower (from first signs of flower)

3rd time I have to defoliate and hope fully the last. 

Top dressed with rock dust and FPJ, to really push my P & K. With are highly available for the plants. Add water Soluble calcium and water soluble potassium.  

Having a bit of powdery mildew but mixed up some of the latic acid bacteria with OHN which is Oriental herbal nutrient, used to provide plants and soil microorganisms with micronutrients, which may optimize their resilience to environment stresses . OHN is a mixture of edible aromatic herbs extracted with alchohol, fermented with brown sugar. Used to discourage the growth of anaerobic, potentially pathogenic microbes.  Herbs long recognized by many ancient cultures as having prebiotics properties include fresh ginger, garlic,  angelica root etc. Then, keep it shelf stable with a bit of brown rice vinegar 1:1000 . 

 Took some really strong and healthy clones of the prized cookies pheno and GG#4 x gsc , about a week and half ago.

Hi 

Day 4 of flower . ( Counting from first hairs form)

Flipped the girls , they in 10L pots . Top dressed with a bit of rock dust.  Then watered in with FPJ,water soluble calcium, water Soluble potassium, sprouted corn tea, latic acid  bacteria.  

Went in with a heavy defoliation, they responded well(4 days apart, from the first pic). Will definitely, have to repeat the process in 2 weeks. 

Taking clones today, healthy strong ones, this time . 

Looking good 

Day 49 from seed. 

Ladies doing well, just topped this week. Putting up the SCrog net ,just to help, keep these girls, manageable.  

Feeding fermented plant juice (FPJ),lactic acid bacteria (LAB), aerated it, for 12 hours . 

Clones not looking, as great as I would like, them to be. But I know now, that I took "poor" clones. But should be straight, in a week or 2. 

Hi 

Day 41 from seed. Re potted today and feed [fermented plant juice, calcium, sprouted corn tea] . 18hr light cycle, not training yet.

Hi 

Day 31 for the girls. They bit stretched out, left them by themselves for 10days . 

Growing very well, some not so much but could be a Genetics problem. 

But all is well, hope everyone is enjoying there outdoor harvests or looking forward to it. 

3 hours ago, PsyCLown said:

Good luck man!

Do you let the mycelium colonize the soil which your plants are in?

I guess if anything, this may keep some pests and other contaminants away?

So I split my mix into 2, one went into a black container, 50lt , and the other in my garden under a tree. Covered with a black bag or tent cover. And rocks to weigh is down but I gets hot!!

I found the one in the container to be the cleaner one. So using that for my indoor. It clean but the one in the garden ,wasn't so great. Dont let it go over 7 days, cause it will cool down and flies love that stuff. That's what I learnt . 

Yes the mycelium will colonize the bran ,all over. That's why you turn it, so the whole pile is colonized . Remember that ,to inoculate a 20kg bag of soil, you would use a cup of imo4. Little goes a long way. Imo is added to indigenous soil to add back, what has been taken out or missing. Like you play God with your lights, you are the food web, you capturing something that's naturally available in the eco system.  And putting it back into your soil. Basically refreshing the "environment " soil. That's why when collection imo, it's best done in an untouched, by humans, environment.  A farm, forests etc. But specific to where you growing . 

12 hours ago, Ill_Evan said:

Would the use of mycelium in this regard also be benificial in terms of CO2 production in the grow environment? 

 

My ignorant beginner self initially thought I could run a 400W birdwing HPS in a 0.8mx0.8m tent with no extraction system 

Quickly invested in an extraction and cool tube setup, and downgraded to 250W. 

But in fairness, even that couldn't beat the heat, and it was a January.

Good question, what I understand is that you add you imo to create a microbial rich environment, filled with all the goodness, that is in your environment.  In a sense you making a truly living and super soil. About the Co2, I would imagine it helps. 

Thing I like about this is that, there not really clear information out there. You kind of have to use it to see the difference or see how it works . 

So will he able to answer that question better, at the end of my grow. 

9 minutes ago, Zah said:

Also struggling with heat, getting around 32 degrees constant in my grow box, nothing more I can do now but hope for the best for my 2 ladies and if they die on me, I will get some of those high heat resistant strains for my next run.

 

Wish some told me this...  buy a fan, investment in your grow. Invest, if this Is serious to you, invest. 

Also collected indigenous microorganism, (imo)

Which is basically, you take everything  (bacteria, fungi,  nematodes) which you collect from miselium rich spot. Under a tree, under growth.  Away from sun, you use par cooked rice as a food source for the miselium to collect on and inhabit.  Once that is done, you mix in equal parts brown sugar and ferment for 10 days ( I did). That's your imo2. You have basically collected the environment around you. You have it in a bottle.   

Then you want to move to imo3, which is basically when you introduce a carbohydrate source , to feed your "environment " . I got bran from a horse feed place. Which you "cook" for 7 days, will reach temperatures of 40 to 50 degrees. Has to be turned everyday. So the recipe is basically,  fpj, and 1 :500 of imo2 to water that been out in the sun. You want to mix your imo2 into the water, you really just need a tiny bit to inoculate a 30kg. Dont make 30kg,  can make 1 kg, tiny bit goes a long way. That's what I need for what I am doing. 

After 7 days, that's your imo3, now you want to move one to imo4, that's where you introduce your soil, better from your garden because that soil is best for the environment you growing in. That's you marrying you micro climate, your food web. Your #imo1, is what's in your environment, it wouldn't work if you moved somewhere else or shared it with a friend, that lives miles away. It works best for where you are. If you move to a different environment,  you would have to collect imo again . 

I like to stop at imo3 because, I keep imo3 in the cupboard and you can add it to your teas, for boosting your soil medium. If you dont till, this would work perfectly, because that's how you would refresh. 

Hi 

Update on the babies.  Day 14 from seed. 

Currently feeding, fermented plant juice ( made from, weeds that grow, in and around your yard and show vigorous growth) through fermentation your able to capture those elements, and make available for your plants. And water Soluble calcium (wsc) which I made from egg shells. Ratio is 1 :1000 . But at this moment , I have it 1:2000.  

Will share as much as I understand, some of it,still experimenting with it but go on YouTube and search Chris Trump. That's where I got introduced to knf.  

Some of the girls are still under CFL, just dont feel they ready. 

I will be vegging outdoor, while my indoor plants finish flowering . 

On 2/11/2020 at 4:59 PM, CreX said:

Sweet... Lots of cool shit happening here... I'll stick around for this one. 

 

Tell us more about your homemade stuff

Think the best to do here is to kind of ,incorporate as best as I can into,the whole grow. 

On 2/11/2020 at 5:42 PM, Bakstein420 said:

So whats your plan to control temperatures?

I have purchased an 8 inline fan and also have have a small intake fan , plus my area is under shade. So tons of cool air and running my lights at night.  

Struggled with heat, in October, November and December.  But stopped then ,pull the setup down. Didn't have the cash to get the fans. 

Some of the girls at day 25, from first white hairs.  

Good day, so I lost my all my other seedlings,to heat,month or 2 ago. But trying again, not giving up. 

So this run we doing GG#4 (4) X GSC (Cannabist) ,GSC (4) (cannabist ) and Washing Machine (ripper seeds) (1) . Plus have Cape cheese mother from GSR,which I will be cloning.  And white Skunk #1 mother from GSR . 

I will be doing a sea of green method this time. 

Once  I find the right mothers from the seeds above, will be using those for all my grows. 

Using 2 x 400w HPS 

Will be grown in super soil, I mixed myself. Plus I have gone in KNF and incoperated imo3 into my soil mix. 

Nutrients,  I will be using my own, homemade.  As per Korean natural farming.  For the would run. 

Temperatures have been consistently at 22 to 28, for the last few week. Busy flowering out,cheese, skunk and kush. 

Will do a weekly post. 

Geez, firstly my head is trying to process the information.  But thank you to all that have shared their knowledge.  Think this thread will help more then just me. 

So some of the breeders that have been mentioned, I dont even know of. My other question would be, where does one source these things or does one have to order directly from the breeders, themselves? With shipping costs, it can quickly become expensive. 

Good day Growmies 

So I have a question for the guys that have been at this, way before 2018. The real OG,s and guys that just know more then me. 

So I want to know, in your opinion.  Who are the best breeders and which are the dankest strains you've grow. 

I am not looking for your everyday and especially not the main stream things. 

Why I ask, because as everyone know, I am still to see a havest . So I am not rushing and taking my time in selecting strains and growing them out to select the best pheno types.  

I am looking at starting a mother collection.  

I would appreciate as much information and if you have links, pop them in. 

Happy new to everyone and all the best for the new year. 

2 minutes ago, Chris Jay said:

"Made my peace with how things work.  " You are growing bud.

Mother nature is a bitch. Now wait until you realise YOU are now mother nature with all your boxes ticked. I guarantee you will be changing your tune soon. Wishing you the best and hope you grow some dank weed. Just keep going, you will find the right recipe.

Thanks for the kind words,  will keep growing. All the best. 

29 minutes ago, Chris Jay said:

@Za Weed Lover I am sorry to hear your issues. I have used GSR since they were taken over by new owners a few years ago. All I can say is unreal genetics. i have since also started working as a freelancer with them, doing some content. But besides that I have also promoted their genetics far and wide. Their after sales service has been exceptional to clients I have referred to them, and they have also been very happy. Infact, no bias at all cause I dont particularly like indoor, I smoked some of their sour Gelato hydroponically grown and can say it was one of the best smokes I have had in my life.

i have not tried Biltong and Buds, but what I have seen and heard they are great.

Suggestion: contact them, give them a report back. Put your growing mediums down, how you germinated etcccc. All these companies need people like us to give them good feedback so they can grow themselves. It all helps at the end of the day. A mate stuffed the germination process up, contacted them, and bang , new seeds arrived. GSR are a top company and definitely growing places.


have to look at your growing environment. Also remember its been a kak weather year. Where I am plants are dying due to hot dry air, drought, animals are eating them cause they have nothing else to eat. Then the bloody rain comes and washes what is left away. So keep persevering and you will come right. 

@PsyCLown "Although it does not sound like an issue which BnB would be responsible for as they are basically just re-sellers. "

Majority of banks/breeders worldwide are just resellers. There are a very limited amount of quality breeders with good genetics. Take Barneys Farm  for instance. They won HT cups, and it was seeds from another breeder in truth.

Hey Bud 

Thanks for you pitch in. 

Truly been a minute since I posted this but what I have come to realize is ,we dealing with nature man and no one can guarantee it. 

For example, I bought 3 laughing buddha seeds, 2 are perfect and one just shit. I am new to this and if I go to any shop, I hold the shop to account but I am quickly realizing that in this thing, that you cant complain to seedbank because, like you say are just the middle man. So when buying seeds you take all the risk and is shit goes south, like the OGs in this forum say, "charge it to school fees" . 

In terms of my growing, did some outdoor for a bit and recently moved indoors (current run). Environment wise, I have ticked almost all the boxes, just need to look at a Ac unit . I mix my own soil and use sprouted, compost teas etc. 

Finally you quite right, when you say keep persevering, strains don't always deliver what they are promising . 

Made my peace with how things work. 

1 hour ago, Mambawana said:

Maybe things are different with tents but whenever my lights go out my humidity spikes and I'm running 250mm intake and exhaust fans 24/7. I'm forced to use dehumidifiers during lights out. 

Maybe me being on the coast is a contributing factor to the humidity.

If you can teach me a way to keep humidity down during lights OFF without me using a dehumidifier I will definitely give it a shot as it will save me a lot on electricity.

I cant comment yet on the exhaust fan yet, will install tomorrow but I find that I have to run a dehumidifier in my room some days, as humidity is super low. Inland problems but I have DIY some fabric pots and have noticed that with them in the space, humidity has  gone up to about a consistent 40 rh. Maybe it's not but that's what I have noticed.  Wired.  

Now I have no experience much but I am hoping that my exhaust fan will be able to control such. But like I said not sure. 

1 hour ago, Mambawana said:

Set it up to draw passive air from inside the house and vent outside... Will help as the air temp is cooler inside. Keep the exhaust fan close to the lights and have a fan blow air between the lights and the top of the canopy. And yeah remember to run your lights ON cycle at night. The fact that things are dry there is a benefit.

All this is only important in flower. In veg the plants are fine with things being hot. Should anyone disagree I'm happy posting a pic of my veg room running hot and the plants are thriving with no heat stress symptoms.

Wow pleased to hear that because my temps have reached 35 and my white skunk #1 and seedlings don't even flinch. There is no heat stress or anything. 

I will have a 200mm exhaust fan ,which is to big for my space. Also at the point my roof meets in my grow room, is where I will be putting it up tomorrow.  So will be pulling out, but will keep records to see if it helps. Also I am pulling air in through the side of the space,where there is shad all day long. The highest temp from that, is like a 26 during the day. The nice thing as well is that my space is right under a tree. I've made a cheap intake fan thing. Which helps but hoping that a lot of passive air will be pulled in because of the big fan. My room isn't sealed and won't be sealing it . 

On 12/19/2019 at 5:35 PM, Mambawana said:

@Za Weed Lover

Your lighting plan sounds spot on for what you have.

Reading and researching is very important but with that said it also requires you to filter the information out there. 1000W HPS lights are demons... I don't think even 4 x 400W hps could compete with 1 x 1000W. But that's not the point. What's important right now for you is to plan better for keeping the temps down. An exhaust fan is not going to be able to keep the temps down in flower more especially if it's hot where you live. HPS lamps run a lot hotter then MH and 2 x 400W HPS lamps create a lot of radiant heat. If you not going to use an aircon then Aircooled hoods are an okay option together with running your lights ON cycle during the night. With this comes another problem with high humidity when lights are OFF.

Don't take anything I said as a negative, it's what we all have to deal with. Every grow set-up comes with its own set of problems. The better prepared we are for it the greater the chance for success.

Thanks bud. True will be installing the fan tomorrow and 200mn inline . Will be running that 24/7. It is hot here and low in humidity. 

On 12/18/2019 at 2:52 PM, Mambawana said:

@Za Weed Lover 

Yeah definitely short veg. Install scrog when you flip and then you can spread out the stretch under the scrog. This only applies to 400W HPS because it doesn't have the penetration like the bigger hps's and LEDs. I only use hps and I'm okay to show you my lighting set-up so that you have peace of mind that I'm not putting you in the bush. Nowadays I use 400W MHs in my veg room and 1000W HPSs in flower room. When I get another aircon I will upgrade my veg room to 1000W lights. It will surely help me become more perpetual because now I veg my plants for a week extra in flower room just to get them use to more intense lights before flip.

 

I do have a MH that I am vegging under. For now they are all under the 400w and will only turn on the other 400w closer to flower.  Which is the HPS ,so thinking of mixing the lights but then will pull out the MH after the 2 weeks of flower. Then put the second HPS till end of flower. 

I have been so unlucky on the seeds side, that I am still to see a havests,  almost 8 months later. 

So excited about seeing this through ,finally have my own stash. Prices are hardcore . 

I will be putting up an 8 inch fan to get the hot air out. Don't want these babies to hernia. 

I read that 2 x 400w lights are better then a single 1000w light.  What's everyone's opinion on that.  How would one set that up to combine power. Because they will be flowered under both lights.  And wouldn't that have a bigger penetration?

2 hours ago, CreX said:

Very interesting, I have also run the first few weeks of bloom with MH lamps to try reduce stretch in early bloom. 

I can't say definitively that it made much difference. But the theory is solid. 

I actually found that a more full spectrum, so the HPS and MH together, the plants grew best in the section where the light mixes in the middle... It could be because the light is more intense in that area... But I dono... I thought they just grew better in general. 

 

Thanks. Also heard of that ashwell but will see.

22 minutes ago, Mambawana said:

Depends on how fast your plants grow. Flipping early as in 3-4weeks. And if you can get your hands on metal halide lamp then that would keep everything a lot more compact in veg i.e. tighter internodal spacing. And then you can use hps lamp from around day 18.

Okay thanks, will keep this thread updated. But you reckon that a good yield could be achieved in a four week veg cycle.  Plus my room has a height of 2,4 m . Could vegging for longer, cost me in flower,  it supposed they will stretch 150%.  Laughing Buddha is said to be a "almost pure sativa". I will lst,super crop and top. Might put my scog net up. Will see. 

8 hours ago, Cannabist said:

Awesome and thanks for the feedback regarding 100% germination rate - much appreciated. Will be following the grow

@Za Weed Lover What method and times/how long did you use to germinate?

@Mambawana if you keen on DIY, you can get away with around R5000 https://ledgardener.com/diy-led-strip-build-designs-samsung-bridgelux/ (Samsung F-Series LT-F564B 2′ LED Strip Build – 4’x4′). Source through digikey, delivery is 5 days and free. I have the solid core wire they mention, very hard to find in SA so can hook you up if need be.

I socked for about 36 hrs and then put on paper towel and close to my hard drive and done. 36hrs later they up. 

With the Monster Genetics Bruce, I did have to crake it open, such beautiful healthy seeds. But now way, it would have generated, with a shell so big. 

Got a line on a 8 inch inline fan?