Sticks

I've run a few Sour Diesel Auto's from Feedaseed. Germinated fine, grew fine, but the phenotypic variation was huge. Yield was decent enough, but smoke was meh. Due to this I didn't bother buying from them again. 

YMMV.

I've bought from Trophy Seeds, Groen Seeds, Biltong & Duds, as well as Bud Buddies. Only issue I've has was with Bud Buddies sending me the photoperiod version instead of the Autoflower version. I contacted them and they replaced it immediately.

2 hours ago, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

if you got a fresh harvest, trim the weed before you get stem snap, (semi dry semi moist) then take a big plastic tote bin, put a black bag in it, moer all the stuff in there. some dudes do this pre trim aswell, so the whole plant basically stem sugarleaves and all go in the bin. then forget about it for a month, make sure to kick it around a couple times. turn the pile, tops to bottom and vice versa. now, most important, once you start trimming, buds don't go in a jar, they go in a bag once the bag is full you push it down to give that brick weed look let it sit compressed like that for another month. you'll have some black market looking weed. that's basically what happens to the indoor you buy before it gets to you. 

Holy shit, this sounds like an invitation for mold. I don't think I'm brave enough to do this to an entire harvest. Just reading that made me cringe. Why would anyone treat their buds like that after loving the plant to harvest?? But thank you, though.This just sounds extremely risky.

2 hours ago, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

I'd like to see that too I know old weed just goes darker in colour, the green goes darker and the trichomes all go amber so you get brown weed. Curing weed is quite specific. To cure something doesn't mean long term storage. You can see it with all things that need a cure. Types of alcohol, types of cheese... basically, saying "cure" means you didn't just store it long term. As with everything else, if the cure isn't done right instead of increasing quality it just degrades quality. and then there's the life of the cure, as with everything, it's like riding the rollercoaster to the tippy top and then a sudden dramatic plunge - anything you cure you do "low and slow" like they say "any good cure will take time" BUT as with the rollercoaster, it's a slow climb and the time spent being at the peak of it's quality is just a small window it leaves to consume, if you leave it for any longer even if cure conditions are perfect, the quality will fall dramatically. It'll just go bad and all the time spent on the cure will be lost. I feel, through my experience with it, the difference in 1 year cured weed and 1 month cured weed, the 1month stuff always wins. Tested it at least a hand full of times. Loose terps every single time, but the smoke is smoother. makes sense though, cause terps are locked in the essential oils and lipids in the plant. Less oils and fats = smoothe smoke but that comes with less flavour. 

I thought it was just me! I've always found that the fresher my weed, the more potent it is. That fist J after a month or 2 cure just hits the right spot. I'm not sure if it's perhaps the differenct cannabanoid content in the flower that hits differently, or if it's the freshness of the flower, but I personally prefer smoking mine fresh for this reason. 

On 9/12/2023 at 10:00 AM, Bos said:

Peoples' perceptions....

As a home grower you are on the journey down the rabbithole and will learn to know better. 

There are better "guys" out there that produce decent stuff and then you get the rest. Genetics as mentioned will play a big role as it usually does.

The "throatcut" or burn from improperly/badly cured cannabis is usually mistaken for "potency". Many blackmarket guys don't have time to fiddle with curing, burping etc... the dry it fast to get the product to market asap.

Teary eyes and hectic coughing equals "good stuff" .....or is it the mould growth from improper storage etc.

Once you've grown decent genetics and properly processed your own cannabis, its difficult to go back to streetweed. 

Ignorance is not always bliss.

Yip. Also once you've got your grow dialed in then it works out much cheaper to grow your own anyways. I've smoked with people and I'll throw a joint halfway through and they'd be screaming at me. I have more weed than what I could ever smoke. 

I know that the black market weed is probably not optimally dried and cured, but I'd like to sacrifice some buds to see if I can replicate it. 

On 9/12/2023 at 7:26 AM, Naughty.Psychonaut said:

I remember when this forum was lighting up over the prices of the weed, some people singing songs about they get the best of the best for R50/60 and no one should pay more than that I stood firm that most people still paying the old prices of R120-R150, still got retaliated cause people got butthurt about the truth. I hope those 'some' people have taken this time to come to realisation, it seems that way cause instead of giving you the what what on how much you paying you just got a straight answer, has happened so many times on this forum  

@Sticks

I would say it's a mix of all those things.

The secret is definitly genetics, though. No two ways about it. I've had genetics push buds that look like black market stuff without me trying, just growing amongst my other plants. It's just genetics. I can link you to one of my very very first grows, I grew a Elvis cut I got from a black market connection, came out like black market looking weed. The photos are on here. One of my earliest threads. Infact, here you go 

Curing and drying could be a little bit of a factor, only when the genetics are what they should be. Obviously as clear as day if you got airy dark green buds on harvest day the absolute best dry and cure in the world will not make your buds dense and light green.  that's just not a thing at all. not in a million years.

Genetics - next time you go to the blackmarket dude, try go as high up as you possibly can and talk directly to the bulk buyer, ask for a clone of the stuff you buying you gona get a big fat resounding no. Well, that's if he's worth his weight as a blackmarket business man. 

Most black market suppliers will be part of a circle or "collective" of friends that share a couple of clones between them. I know a black market supplier, chat with him on a weekly basis, he lives here in my town couple streets away, got a whole house as a grow op, I'm talking 100's of plants on a perpetual cycle, full power all the way no hickups. He's pumping a cheese cut since 2012 that's been kept between the bunch of them and with my close connection he just simply sais No when I ask for a cut. That's what the black market does. Someone gets their hands on a keeper pheno and they see it sells well so they keep it away from the public in order to keep the value and price of that weed higher than the generic stuff. Setting the value margins for the black market. Like, who set that price of R120? What is it based on? If you work out what it cost to grow indoor it comes down to around R30/g. So the mark up could be because of the risk factor, but there's just a big a risk to growing outy. Probably even higher risk, cause it's harder to hide and all that. Indoor is the price it is on the street, cause they protect genetics. 

Now that's just talking about one cheese pheno, there are literally billions of cheese phenos out there if you account for all pheno variations and all... if you buy a 20 or even a 50 pack of cheese seeds you still wouldn't get the same winner of a unicorn cheese pheno as the one you get by the black market? Cause you're not a black market supplier so you not "in the clique" you not "part of the gang". Don't know it you aware of the "Elvis" and the "Hitler" strains, there's a couple of them, "clone only" strains, cause they don't wana take to STS to be reversed for seeds, cause they been hybridized into oblivion. it's basically just a production plant then, can't reproduce or anything. Elvis you can get the clone of these days, but there's about 10 to 15 different ones out here and literally only 1 winner. to find that 1 is like finding a unicorn. for real. and a couple years back of you asked for a Elvis cut people would just laugh at you, cause they protected it to keep the price high. The same way it is with the Hitler cut today. 

Saying "black market" is still quite vague, cause the black market produces 90% poopweed and then there's a 10% that will rival any home grower.

I don't think any black market supplier would take the time to cure the stuff they sell, they hang to dry, trim and moer in a bag and there you go. Most of the time you get dry weed, but there's a good 30 to 40% of the time you buy weed from the black market you get it still moist as fuck. They're just sloppy. They know it's not all going to sell on the street on day one, still has to trickle down to the singles, so it gives the middle man time to bag the stuff and sit with it for up to a month before selling out, in that time the buds spent in a bag, and we all know a weed in a bag dries out. even in a ziplock. That's basically the burping/curing process. Just unlucky if you get it fresh and still moist, then again like you said, people just don't know better cause I am thinking about 2 different guys I know that refuses to smoke weed that's dried properly they prefer the moist stuff.... I've smoked with them and I give my properly dried and cured weed that smokes like a terp loaded breath of fresh air and they don't like it at all  I'm sure I also wanted the "harder hitting" stuff when I first started smoking. 

Wow, so much to unpack here and so hard to do on mobile! 

Thank you, I agree wholeheartedly. I too used to like the "harder hitting" stuff back in the day that would make me cough uncontrollably, thinking it meant potency. Back then, all indoor looked and smelled the same to me, I couldn't distinguish the difference between any strains I bought, but didn't care because it would just be sold as indoor. Now I can taste and smell differences in all the strains I grow. I've spoken to some dudes who sell, and they told me that people want what they are used to, and if the weed is smooth and the high is long lasting, they won't be convinced because the look of the buds and feel of the smoke is not what they are used to. 

I would, though, like to test out their drying methods just to see how it's done and if I can replicate their results for nostalgia's sake. 

9 hours ago, Prom said:

If you keep weed in the right curing humidity range AND you let the plant ripen till finished, you should get that light green, is very much strain depending. Once it cures for a longer time, it starts to become darker again. All my three years cured weed jars are rather on the dark side ^^ but they smell incredibly sexy hehehe is like inhaling tasty air, there is nothing scratching your throat anymore.

This has been my experience too. And it's ridiculously smooth compared to street weed. 

The terps are there, the bag appeal is there (IMO), but it seems people who are not growers seem to believe that the look and harshness of "street weed" means higher quality. 

Most of us have purchased weed on the streets before. Here in Cape Town Cheese was rampant on the streets at R120/gram give or take. We all know what it looked like what it smelled like. It would be light green, very dry a lot of the time, and would reek to the high heavens. Since I've been growing, I could never dry my crop to come out the same way this "street weed" would come out. And it seems that is what the people want. I always dry trim, slow dry, and my buds come out really nice, but nothing like "street weed."

What is the secret? 

Is this the way that people want their weed or is it just what they are familiar with and don't know better? 

Will you be reversing these using STS or CS? 

Looking good. Interested in the Sour Diesel. I grew a cut of HSC Sour Diesel and it was absolutely epic. Bought some Sour Diesel Auto seeds from Feedaseed that I have growing at the moment, 2 distinct phenotypes. So really interested to see how yours turns out. 

Good luck! 

Wow, these are fantastic! 

I'm using a 240W LED for the first time, coming from HPS. Popped a few seeds a couple of weeks ago and the growth was terribly slow even at 130W. With HPS I would try to maintain the ambient temperature at 26 degrees. I've since raised the ambient temperature in my box to 29 degrees in an attempt to get the leaf surface temperature a bit higher, this seemed to work for me. I am not sure what your temps are, but this could also be a contributing factor. 

Thanks. I was again expecting 30 grams or less, but these buds are really dense.

Plenty of larfy buds that I threw in the trim bin as well.

Hoping for more with the Cheese.  

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On 8/5/2021 at 6:46 AM, Pants said:

Know I’m not allowed to enter, but here is my latest experiment.







And 12 days later, still alive. This morning



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Very interesting.

Do you think the stress will cause her to hermie during flower?

Better pic of the Cheese 

This Cheese freebie is really impressing me.

Banana Blaze 

This plant has 3 branches on a lot of the nodes.

Some more pics of the cheese plant

Cheese budshot at the end of week 4

On 7/11/2021 at 10:22 AM, Green said:

As a beginner, I found FF premium classic very forgiving. It seems to have the perfect balance of everything. In combination with a fabric pot it handles over and under watering very well. It says on the bag 'not recommended for germinating seeds' but I've had 100% success rate so far with paper towel method straight into Freedom Farm soil. 

So far I've always added liquid nutrients after a month. This year's outdoor grow I'm going to try it amended with Dirty Hands elemental blend (and mycoroot), a few top dresses and pH'd water.

One note on this soil though, it is MOSTLY coco and perlite so it can dry out VERY quickly outdoors in fabric pots, especially in smaller pots and in the middle of a hot and windy summer **cape town** I've heard you can line the inside top half of the pots with plastic, to retain moisture while still air pruning the roots.

I also use FF premium classic and also have zero problems germinating in them. I repot twice in veg, so no need for nutes. On the second repotting I mix some FF & Elemental blend into the bottom of my final pot at a ratio of 3 parts FF to 1 Part Elemental blend and let the plants recover for a week, then i flip them. And again, like you, I top dress in week 4 of flower with the same ratio of FF to Elemental blend. Seems to be working for me. 

I also add lots of perlite to the FF as I find it tends to compact after a few weeks. 

I even use the FF to make a pseudo compost tea once a week.

Would like to try the Orgasoil next, though. 

Thanks guys! Will have a chat to @Light It Upcloser to the time.

Appreciate the feedback!

14 minutes ago, Ill_Evan said:

Not only are the LEDs genuine but @Light It Up will treat you like a king, any issues anytime of day, the dude will assist. Even general questions he'll be happy to help you out. 

Thanks, leaning toward this one for the moment.