Burly

Keen to hear your thought and suggestions on this unconventional heat source?


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So it’s a little heater I bought from clicks and added a controller STC 1000 probe is running into the tent inline with the bud hight, with a 2 degree variance set. Inlet pipe is covered with a heat proof filter and blowing warm air through ducting at the bottom of the tent. This might be pushing moister air in but in short bursts and dehumidifier is hold the RH. I have a oscillating fan on the floor another hanging above light and buds and on the opposite top corner of the tent is my scrubber.
Thats about it for heating.


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Morning boys

So wake and bake all done properly with some warm pancakes this morning after the labour the past few 48 hours.

Shoto for the reply@Psyclown.
I’ll def be looking into AQ.

So far cleaned the tent, defoliated only a few leaves infected but still cleaned the girls up. Just hope I sorted the spores out. Now that you mention it we have these fogging things at work that kill all air-born and surface viruses and fungus spores and it safe. I’ll look into those, if they not an option have you found any spray can defoggers like that, I’ll google now as well.
Drench my coco with ph water and neem, that was 48h ago I’m going to drench coco again only this time with feed and until run off, take readings. I’ve been keeping HR at about 55 for the last 48h dehumidifier set at 50. Heating I made a plan, not the best way to heat but I think it’s working and possibly cost affective. I’ll post a pic now of the set up and explain. So temps have been lights on constant 26 and lights out 18.

On a unrelated topic. Would you guys suggest that with Freedom farm soil the green bag I could get away with Biozbizz bloom and Fishmix for autos considering the soil has been primed? Also would I add warmcastings or just microbs and if so any suggestions to add with those two from Biobizz.

I’ll send pics now of hearing.


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How is it going?

I can recommend using AQ sf, bio organics sell it - they're based in cape Town but will ship.
Other retailers sell it too, such as Jamie's garden shop.
It basically eats away the PM, although takes a bit of time to get working as it's spores which need to germinate. Safe to use during flower.

Also removing leaves and having a fan in your tent, the pm spores have already spread. I was thinking of trying one of those disinfectant foggers which kill all microbes and spores for fungus and mould etc to clean out my tent and equipment between grows - have not yet tried it but I think it could work.
Get it blowing through my extraction fan and oscillating fans and onto my lights etc.

Milk and water also works, if you're in a hurry mixing the AQ sf with milk seems to work well, the milk helps control the pm straight away and then the AQ sf takes over a little later although you still need to continue to spray, I'd say at least once a week to ensure it remains under control, last thing you want is for the pm to blow up before harvest.

I haven't tried vinegar or bicarb, I'm not sure how I feel about using neem on plants in flower and I'd also suggest using a neem oil made for plants specially and not the one from Dischem (it may even be cheaper than the dischem one).

Agro organics also sell a neem oil as do Neudorff.

I have heard that keeping your temps between 22 and 26 can help prevent the pm spores from germinating and therefore ensure you do not end up with pm on your plants - never tried it myself and probably a little late for you.
You'd need a heater and decent thermostat to achieve that though.

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And or any other supplements

On 7/2/2020 at 10:54 AM, Totemic said:

I run all my plants in organics, and if it's a plant for seeds I keep a full on organic approach. If it's a plant for bud, then I usually supplement MKP at an EC not really pushing past 0.8-1.0. From about 4 weeks, And then once again at 6 weeks.

@Totemic what organic feed are you using for your buds the normal FF green bag and biobizz?

Just now, StickyD420 said:

Again, Neem has a NPK so watch you dont over feed now and follow the 10ml to 1L or slightly stronger, maybe just do the Neem drench, then a feed next time.

Good idea, so PH water with neem on my none fertigation days and then feed again next round. Sorry last question dude, would you do the neem and PH water feed once right and then normal schedule there after. 

2 minutes ago, Burly said:

Would you suggest neem oil in my feed and a PH of 9 for the next few days water spray down? 

I’m using GHE Lukas formula for this grow with molasses and lime 2.5ml of kelp to every liter? 
 

The seedlings are in FF green bag but I’m not feeding there yet, just sprayed deluding down with neem last night. I also have asked in another thread about FF and using slats or organic like biobizz m, I think your in that thread as well. 

2 minutes ago, StickyD420 said:

See now

Just remember, mildew gets into the plants system, lives there. So you need to spray every 2 to 3 days to get rid of it, but you in flower, so just bath what you haven't caught yet and you can spray pH water on leaves, kills it too on the leaves but not inside the plant.

Would you suggest neem oil in my feed and a PH of 9 for the next few days water spray down? 

8 minutes ago, Burly said:

Sup Bud. 
 

shot for the thread. 
I have the same set up and questions. But this has helped. 
Also trying FF the green bag for the first time and I’m in veg with Humboldt Bubba and royal queen gorilla, they all looking great for now also have that weird leaf action on the ladies but new growth looks good, wonder what that is, possibly hight nitrogen?? 
 

are you sticking with GHE slat nutrients and supplementing with molasses? I still have about two weeks feed left in the FF soil or three so I can still move over to biobizz? I think that’s only a two part mix I don’t know what other additives to add to that though besides kelp? 
 

I normally use atami coco perlite which is great substrate but at 300 a bag it’s a bit prices hence the FF run, I should have maybe done a test on cheaper generics so getting this right when I start feeding is critical. Any further advise and feeding schedules would be great from the guys. 
as mentioned I use and have always used GHE with the Lukas formula and had great crops but with FF it sounds like that changes up everything. What to do oh what to do. 
 

is the biobizz route the simplest and easiest route to go growing in the FF green bag or can I just run lower feeds with GHE and add a bit of molasses, which I do in every grow anyway? 

Some pics. 

Updated pics. And a huge sative Jack herer strain I piped to test and she just blew up outta control. 

10 minutes ago, StickyD420 said:

Side note: 

I can't see 100 percent your plants, but from what I can see, you have a few leaves you can remove and the plant still be happy and finish correctly. 

One thing guys do, and I've done in the past, is remove a few of the lower fan leaves, and some in the middle of the plant where there isn't lots of light penetrating, this way you can drastically drop your humidity and avoid these situations in the future. 

Comes down to better air flow, not in or out the room, but around the room.

Awesome thanks. Yeah I clean the ladies up nicely this morning so I hope I got all infected leaves and have better air flow in my tent for those RH. Turning my inline speed down also has helped level out temps and RH readings. 

16 hours ago, Budtender said:

Howzit la familia

Quick update. 

So far so good. Following through on some solid advice from the more experienced growers around and keeping it simple.

Not much happening.  Still just giving dechlorinated water with Ph of 6.5 once or twice a week. 18

First leaves turning slightly yellow but otherwise she seems quite happy.

Older leaves have this weird curling thing going on. No idea what it might be but as far as I can see it's not affecting her negatively so I'm happy

What she looks like after 3 weeks.

More updates coming soon.

Shabba

Sup Bud. 
 

shot for the thread. 
I have the same set up and questions. But this has helped. 
Also trying FF the green bag for the first time and I’m in veg with Humboldt Bubba and royal queen gorilla, they all looking great for now also have that weird leaf action on the ladies but new growth looks good, wonder what that is, possibly hight nitrogen?? 
 

are you sticking with GHE slat nutrients and supplementing with molasses? I still have about two weeks feed left in the FF soil or three so I can still move over to biobizz? I think that’s only a two part mix I don’t know what other additives to add to that though besides kelp? 
 

I normally use atami coco perlite which is great substrate but at 300 a bag it’s a bit prices hence the FF run, I should have maybe done a test on cheaper generics so getting this right when I start feeding is critical. Any further advise and feeding schedules would be great from the guys. 
as mentioned I use and have always used GHE with the Lukas formula and had great crops but with FF it sounds like that changes up everything. What to do oh what to do. 
 

is the biobizz route the simplest and easiest route to go growing in the FF green bag or can I just run lower feeds with GHE and add a bit of molasses, which I do in every grow anyway? 

1 minute ago, StickyD420 said:

Good morning B,

There are different variants or versions of that, but you have a good and working one.

Cut the plant so you can submerge the branches completely and shake then a little in the buckets, the trichomes will be okay still.

After the buckets, shake them out good, all extra water off, then hang and a oscillating fan near by, not directly on them.

Should be about 1 to 2 day like that, then as normal again.

Peace B, and good luck on the Competition

Cheers for the info bud! 
I’ll update on this thread in a few days time as well, I trust only good news from the green thumb gardener  

thanks for the wishes I’ll stay hopeful but including your pics there are very creative and talented dude out there. 

15 hours ago, StickyD420 said:

Neem you dont want to do 3 to 4 weeks before flowering, my personal opinion, it's also systemic and lasts a while in the plants system.

Never used the bicarb or anything other than neem, and if I had it in final stages of flower, it got the 3 bucket treatment and was good to go.

Pleasure brother, peace

Morning morning. 
just wanted to check with you and compare my understanding of the 3 bucket system, is yours basically....

1) bicarb 

2) hydrogen Peroxide and lemon juice 

3) clean water 

and then drying. I’m not sure if ratios on each 25l bucket? 
but I hope I caught this early enough, I only had a few leaves showing mildew after deflation just now. 
peace, keep it irie gents

Wow!! I already feel like a winner just being mentioned! I tried to be creative and it seems you like me you really really like me

thanks for this already feel like a winner just from the acknowledgement received. In the sport of good competition I also wish you all the best of luck but....... I hope I’m the one that takes a stand on the podium this month

4 hours ago, StickyD420 said:

Brother, you mentioned great air flow and you some times hit 70 humidity.

If understanding correctly, you changing air in the room often? Possibly slow it down for the dehumidifier to have a second to do a little more of its job before extracting it.

And I've found you can even work in a sealed room, but you need to have plenty oscillating fans, and no stagnant air pockets anywhere.

Top draw bud! 
another lesson learnt! Do the math when installing your exhaust fan into your garden, especially when making changes. Guessing or over looking this simple step has bigger consequences! 
I turned my fan speed down to the size of the space required and took into consideration I only have one bend in my hosing and a short exhaust. RH in the tent is already more steady in the few hours, dehumidifier running less as well, so another plus on the electricity. 
 

Plan of action. 
Defoliate leaves showing signs, it is time for there 4 week clean up anyway so I can get in there. 
Smoke a joint.....
Clean garden and equipment. 
Spray girls down with bicarb until dripping both on top and under all! Leaves and buds. 
Hit a bong......  ,...
Repeat bicarb spray down for this week....?

Environment controls I hope I have in order now! 

Smoke a joint.  .......
Thanks again everyone for all the answers and care to reply, much much appreciated dudes. 
 

stay warm and irie
 

I saw this afternoon all the updates going out about load shedding!! Good luck guys. 
 

again thanks to this awesome platform and to all you top chaps that make it so amazing! Wish I found you guys a year ago!! Would have saved a lot of harvests gone bad. But I guess that’s what growing about! Having fun and learning every grow!! 
stay warm chaps. 

2 minutes ago, ORGANinc. said:

Plants are looking fire though!

Dude so good to hear. Thanks a mill for that.....makes my little green thumb twitch with joy!!!

even more reason I’m stressing!! All that love and this PM might steal it from me

6 minutes ago, StickyD420 said:

I've found, a good soaking, fine mist till it drips off the plants all over. Dont miss a spot, then clean and bring them back inside.

Will do! On it. 

4 minutes ago, StickyD420 said:

Brother, you mentioned great air flow and you some times hit 70 humidity.

If understanding correctly, you changing air in the room often? Possibly slow it down for the dehumidifier to have a second to do a little more of its job before extracting it.

And I've found you can even work in a sealed room, but you need to have plenty oscillating fans, and no stagnant air pockets anywhere.

Yeah I have great extraction and two fans in a 1.2 x 1.2 my humidity is higher at night in the 70 only because I sent my dehumidifier to 70 thinking with all that moving air in the tent I would pick up issues, this all to save on a bit of electricity, lesson learnt I’d say! What a stress mission. But I’ll slow the extraction fan to a lower setting, I dunno cause lights on when I set my dehumidifier to 50 I generally stay in that range I think I just screwed up with leaving it at 70’ in the evening thinking my “great” air flow would avoid the issues. 

53 minutes ago, Totemic said:

PM is a bane to any grower. There are many ways to deal with PM. From just removing the infected leaf, to using bicarb, vinegar etc.

I personally always have neem in my IPM. The neem stimulates the plants immune system, increases resistance.

For PM specifically  though, I like spraying a bicarb solution onto the areas with good results. 1tsp dissolved in 1l. Add a drop or two of sunlight as surfactant and spray infected leaves top and bottom.

Thanks again for your help Totemic

6 minutes ago, StickyD420 said:

Neem mix is on the bottle, 10ml to 1L, also a tiny bit of soap to help it stay and spread out and mix with the water. Use warmish water too.

I actually up the dose to double almost when infected, but it's me.

Cheers mate. So 4weeks into flowering I’m good to go with neem. In a spray bottle all over the plants or just where I see the white devils dandruff?

10 minutes ago, StickyD420 said:

Ps, if you remove leaves or spray, or basically anything right now with regards to the mildew, turn off your fans, and use a wet cloth or something to cover the leave when removing to not send spores all over.

Plus you're going to have to clean all fans, and walls and surfaces in there now, to be very sure and use peroxide and jik. Wash 2 or 3 times with new water each time.

Afterwards, increase air circulation and more oscillating fans for the win. 

I’ll stay the wash down in the morning! Armed with Jik and clean water all the way each wash down. Nice reminder in the fans. I’ll clean out the dehumidifier filters as well. All just clean every where with some jik and water in a spray bottle.  

Wow thanks gents!! 
I have neem oil, I try @Totemic solution. Just to check can I spray the solution from totemic with Bicarb and the neem oil over flowering buds? Not together but If I use the neem oil instead. Would the neem oil also be 1ml to 1l? 
 

guys! Side note. 
thanks for being there to support!! Awesome to have such irie ppl around to count on. Thanks